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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv8er View Post
    I missed this thread the first time around. I am very proud to read it though. Don't laugh, I manage a Hollister Clothing store. I play big, big brother to 75 odd kids. I deal with poor decision making youths all the time. Kids doing what they do, jumping into an unfilled pool.

    It will always be difficult to balance the successful athlete who is driven to research, and the kid who wants quick easy answers. I feel it is our duty to show a better path. Instead of saying DO MORE RESEARCH!!! (Followed by please lay off the caps!) I try to write down the key words. Sometimes we can answer the same question in a sentence, sometimes we can show the right path in a sentence.

    In my youth I would have given anything to have known about a board like AM. We don't provide answers here, we illuminate paths. We show you the door. The answers must come from you in the end.

    This board is full of people who have asked themselves many of the same questions, and searched many of the same questions. And so it is our purpose, to show others- the way it is done.

    The mods do a great, tough job here. Balancing law, ethics, and mass amounts of info. I try to treat everyone here as though I know them. A community that looks out for the most jacked and inspiring, to the hungriest and perspiring. I take pride in using and sharing what I learn here. I'm proud to be a member. End of rant, sob, snot, cough...

    Am I my brother's keeper? Yes I am.
    Great Post! I don't actively participate in boards too much anymore, but when I came back to check this board out I noticed something. I've seen this on other boards as well. It appears to me that a lof the guys are slamming the newbs something serious. Things like, "Do you research!", "Eat to Make Your Gains", "Train 5 Years First!" I don't disagree with the message that is being sent to the Newbs and highschoolers, but the typical method of delivery I've seen is only going to cause these kids to rebel and do it anyway. Especially, when everyone jumps on the bandwagon of name calling and insulting the person.
    I don't like to see newbie posts anymore than anyone else, but cussing the kids out and demanding for their ban isn't sending the right message. Your only telling these people that its ok to be a jerk.
    If you really want to make a difference, then try this instead...
    PM the person or post out in the open and try to develop a relationship with this newb or highschooler. Find out why they want to take steroids in the first place. Is it out of insecurity? Do they want to compete? Do they know all of the rammifications?
    My point is simply maybe its not the message, or the person giving the message, but the delivery of the message that we need to work on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    I can recall a time not so very long ago. A time when M1T was "extreme" in regard to its potential dangers. A time when use and mis-use was a very serious concern by many members on the board. A time when statements like; "every kid wanting to get huge will be eating this **** like candy" and was of a serious concern. Our conscienses were very finely tuned to the potential dangers of the use and abuse of these compounds by anyone, and especially young kids just coming into the BB world/sport, with very little to no training and diet experience.

    Fast forward to today. We have 20-21yr olds weighing in at 145-165lb advising other 145-165lb kids who want to get huge by doing this or that methyl. Kids who don't know how to eat or train right. Kids who have trained for the first time in their lives now wanting to take steroids.

    What happened? Where is the board conscience that used to be so prominant? Is there a board conscience?

    Please note: I am not anti steroids, nor anti kids (young men), nor anti kids on steroids. I'm sure this may offend a few too many. But surely there are some here who remember "back in the day" when we used conscience and caution when supplying advise.

    I'm sure I'm not alone here.
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    I'm new to this website but not to working out or dieting. I posted about SustEvol earlier today asking about it...well not about it but the side effects. I thought I did enough research on it but when i did my research the product had just come out so of course it was the "Greatest" thing ever. Needless to say now everyone says to dump it, get rid of it, trash it. Well of course I'm gonna be taken back by this so I decided no to take it today and wont' until I go to the doctors & get a Full Physical. Of course I asked close sources of mine about the product and they praised but also spoke ill of it, but ONLY if it is not taken properly. If you do not follow guidelines when taking foreign supplements such as the pro-hormones or Gear then there will be consiquences. If every precaution is taken then anyone who is taking a strong MT or steroid should be safer than someone who does not know how to take it at the begining and how to end it. So much goes into supplements. Someone might benifit from taking deca and test but someone else's body might not take that cycle as well. Basically after typing all of this what I'm trying to say is ALWAYS DO RESEARCH! Ask questions, make sure you know your body. Make Sure you've reached your "limits" naturally before trying to rush them. Your body will be more ready to take in the foreign supps as oppose to just taking them on your 1st visit to the gym. (Broken record but..) Make sure you have at least 3 years in the gym, at least a few years of dieting as well. Make sure your sources are legit and not your body who knows just as much as you or maybe less. Alright I'm done here because I definitely wrote way too much...BEST OF LUCK TO ALL!!!
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    This is the whole reason as did a friend of mine(sweetlou32937) after I did due in fact to the ill advice given and the quick temper that override any good done in the forums. For instance if a question is aked about any they feel is unreasonale(on that given day) they might shun you or try and put you down for how wrong you were for thinking this or that. It didnt happen to me but I was witness to this reoccuring problem way to many time! Anyways thanks to all at AM!!
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    Best way too look at when someone can make a comment or ask a question that some may feel is a waist of time to even answer or get aggrevated is...WE WERE ALL IN THERE SHOES AT 1 POINT IN OUR LIVES. The difference is, is that instead of giving them the Heisman, just point them in the right direction, because either we can help or know someone that can help. So far all I've seen in this whole website is positive feedback for everyone. Some are harsh but with good intentions. Great Site!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexxx View Post
    Some are harsh but with good intentions. Great Site!
    Indeed and even those are hard to come by here at AM.com, not turn into bb.com and I think there may be a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    I can recall a time not so very long ago. A time when M1T was "extreme" in regard to its potential dangers. A time when use and mis-use was a very serious concern by many members on the board. A time when statements like; "every kid wanting to get huge will be eating this **** like candy" and was of a serious concern. Our conscienses were very finely tuned to the potential dangers of the use and abuse of these compounds by anyone, and especially young kids just coming into the BB world/sport, with very little to no training and diet experience.

    Fast forward to today. We have 20-21yr olds weighing in at 145-165lb advising other 145-165lb kids who want to get huge by doing this or that methyl. Kids who don't know how to eat or train right. Kids who have trained for the first time in their lives now wanting to take steroids.

    What happened? Where is the board conscience that used to be so prominant? Is there a board conscience?

    Please note: I am not anti steroids, nor anti kids (young men), nor anti kids on steroids. I'm sure this may offend a few too many. But surely there are some here who remember "back in the day" when we used conscience and caution when supplying advise.

    I'm sure I'm not alone here.

    All we can do is just try to educate. If we just hate new kids on the block we will do more harm than good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbras View Post
    All we can do is just try to educate. If we just hate new kids on the block we will do more harm than good.
    This is the difference between bb.com and am.com
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    I was reckless (not even that reckless highest I went was 20mg/d) with M1T and I'm pretty sure I'd have a better hairline if I didn't abuse it. I have always been on the safe side regarding gear and pct protocal, but I have had my side effects from different things I have done. You can never be too careful with this stuff.
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    I would like to say that I was one of the stupid kids who grabbed the m1t and popped it like candy. funny thing is that once I discovered the forums and sah all the adverse dangers of it I actually stopped. So these sites talking about the pro's and con's arenlt terrible, if anything they forced me to stop, lean how unbelievably important nutrition and training actually is. An old fart at my gym back in canada who sold the stuff said he wouldnlt sell anymore unless people could prove to him that they could make gains without it
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    Too bad most of the side effects are most likely not going to show up until years down the road. If you think you are safe because you took something years ago, and you seemed to be fine for years, you may be in for a surprise. I just had to go to the doctor 2 days after finishing an H-Drol cycle. I'm not going into details but it's serious. Do I think it caused my problem directly, probably not possible. Do I think it exacerbated something I already had but did not know, yes, I think there is a strong chance of that. Needless to say, maybe this was a wakeup call, I will never touch another PH as long as a live. In fact, I'm not touching anything else once I finish my very light PCT. Good luck to you, if I could go back, I'd never have touched this stuff. Sometimes you have to learn the hard way. Keep thinking it won't happen to you.........like I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoidGracie View Post
    Too bad most of the side effects are most likely not going to show up until years down the road. If you think you are safe because you took something years ago, and you seemed to be fine for years, you may be in for a surprise. I just had to go to the doctor 2 days after finishing an H-Drol cycle. I'm not going into details but it's serious. Do I think it caused my problem directly, probably not possible. Do I think it exacerbated something I already had but did not know, yes, I think there is a strong chance of that. Needless to say, maybe this was a wakeup call, I will never touch another PH as long as a live. In fact, I'm not touching anything else once I finish my very light PCT. Good luck to you, if I could go back, I'd never have touched this stuff. Sometimes you have to learn the hard way. Keep thinking it won't happen to you.........like I did.
    Great point!
    A) You will not have any idea what long-term effects of these things may have until much later in life.

    B) When you are young (when I was young) I could not see beyond the moment-- I want to do what I want to do and the negative stuff "won't happen to me."

    The key is to educate yourself, dialogue, study others' experiences and approach with caution. Thankfully M1T is pretty much a thing of the past. Well, at least in terms of what's currently available and much better. I do still see M1T around available from some places, so somebody still must be using it!
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    M1T is very much still alive in canada. We don't have all the pro-hormone products and m1t is still pushed my the smaller supp company on kids who want somehting and don;t want to inject.
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    I don't think M1T and Superdrol are all that people should be concerned with. I don't really think any of these compounds are safe, and not just the PH/PS's.
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    Don't worry guys the .Gov is going to ban everything to save the children. You can all stop this whiney thread now

    Take action, don't whine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    I can recall a time not so very long ago. A time when M1T was "extreme" in regard to its potential dangers. A time when use and mis-use was a very serious concern by many members on the board. A time when statements like; "every kid wanting to get huge will be eating this **** like candy" and was of a serious concern. Our conscienses were very finely tuned to the potential dangers of the use and abuse of these compounds by anyone, and especially young kids just coming into the BB world/sport, with very little to no training and diet experience.

    Fast forward to today. We have 20-21yr olds weighing in at 145-165lb advising other 145-165lb kids who want to get huge by doing this or that methyl. Kids who don't know how to eat or train right. Kids who have trained for the first time in their lives now wanting to take steroids.

    What happened? Where is the board conscience that used to be so prominant? Is there a board conscience?

    Please note: I am not anti steroids, nor anti kids (young men), nor anti kids on steroids. I'm sure this may offend a few too many. But surely there are some here who remember "back in the day" when we used conscience and caution when supplying advise.

    I'm sure I'm not alone here.
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    im 20 haha and yeh i have taken M1T ages ago tho, i thought it gave me gynecomastia but i have seen 4 maybe 5 different doc's and they all tell me its in my head. i have even had blood work done checking my hormones and there all in range. only thing that was **** bout M1T was the stretch marks it gave me!! i advise all my friends to stay away from it. personally i prefer stacking rebound xt with creatine. i gained bout a stone on that ! rebound xt at 3 caps a day just under 2 months and CEE trust me that does the trick! peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoidGracie View Post
    Too bad most of the side effects are most likely not going to show up until years down the road. If you think you are safe because you took something years ago, and you seemed to be fine for years, you may be in for a surprise. I just had to go to the doctor 2 days after finishing an H-Drol cycle. I'm not going into details but it's serious. Do I think it caused my problem directly, probably not possible. Do I think it exacerbated something I already had but did not know, yes, I think there is a strong chance of that. Needless to say, maybe this was a wakeup call, I will never touch another PH as long as a live. In fact, I'm not touching anything else once I finish my very light PCT. Good luck to you, if I could go back, I'd never have touched this stuff. Sometimes you have to learn the hard way. Keep thinking it won't happen to you.........like I did.

    Do you have any research, scientific studies that can back that claim up? How do you know problems wont arise until years down the road? It seems like just a guess to me. I did andro when it first came out in the late 90's, and haven't had any problems. That was 10 years ago.

    Whatever problem your doc discovered was probably due to genetics, or something else. I doubt PH's had anything to do with it. What did your doctor say about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heat Miser View Post
    I can recall a time not so very long ago. A time when M1T was "extreme" in regard to its potential dangers. A time when use and mis-use was a very serious concern by many members on the board. A time when statements like; "every kid wanting to get huge will be eating this **** like candy" and was of a serious concern. Our conscienses were very finely tuned to the potential dangers of the use and abuse of these compounds by anyone, and especially young kids just coming into the BB world/sport, with very little to no training and diet experience.

    Fast forward to today. We have 20-21yr olds weighing in at 145-165lb advising other 145-165lb kids who want to get huge by doing this or that methyl. Kids who don't know how to eat or train right. Kids who have trained for the first time in their lives now wanting to take steroids.

    What happened? Where is the board conscience that used to be so prominant? Is there a board conscience?

    Please note: I am not anti steroids, nor anti kids (young men), nor anti kids on steroids. I'm sure this may offend a few too many. But surely there are some here who remember "back in the day" when we used conscience and caution when supplying advise.

    I'm sure I'm not alone here.
    I disagree. I still see tons of posts where the first 37 answers to a new kid's question are, "research", and "take your time and learn before you jump in".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironlunch View Post
    Do you have any research, scientific studies that can back that claim up? How do you know problems wont arise until years down the road? It seems like just a guess to me. I did andro when it first came out in the late 90's, and haven't had any problems. That was 10 years ago.

    Whatever problem your doc discovered was probably due to genetics, or something else. I doubt PH's had anything to do with it. What did your doctor say about it?
    Yep. When I was 19 and there were no boards like AM, I actually used andro to taper off a 6 week sustanon cycle. Imagine my surprise when I gained almost as much coming off as I did while on.

    I consider my self lucky, now knowing what I know. But the fact remains, I'm fine.
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    I am thinking of trying cellucor p6 black for my very 1st prohoromone cycle. Anyone know anything about this stuff. Steroids would be cheaper I have no doubt. I am bumping 30 and feel a good cycle of such product will induce growth I wan. 20 lbs of mass for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    I am not in disagreement with any of these replies.

    But in regard to them I would like to add this. It is always good to give sound advise when it is asked for. But in some cases it is showing someone how to do the wrong thing the right way. But I will not go into what is right or wrong and level of experience for PH/PS use. But there should be some sort of prerequisite of knowledge or level of understanding demonstrated by the inquirer before such advise is delivered.

    I will say that I think encouraging someone to search for themselves is the better way to go. For instance; "Hey bro, search around some on the board using the "search function". Use the key words "PCT, NOLVA, 6-OXO". Read up a bunch on this stuff". I'm not going to ramble on using examples.

    "We can feed them fish, or teach them to be fishermen"
    i do like to take it one step further sometimes and actually pull up a couple threads to have them read, just the ones i found the most useful information on to get them started. replies that always annoy me to read are "use search", with no extra help. the poster may actually be very lazy, or they may just not know exactly what to search for- and amongst all the golden threads around here its good to help them avoid those that are not so good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheUsual View Post
    More in line with this discussion, has anyone else noticed the vast difference between post and thread counts of the PH and Anabolics Forum Sections vs. the Diet & Nutrition and Training sections? That right there sums up the problem I think. I am starting to follow the school of thought of "maybe it's a good thing the gov't is outlawing PH's".
    lol, outlaw PH and only outlaws will have PHs
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    where's the icon where i bang my face into a wall for helping revive an *OLD* post
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbuecker View Post
    lol, outlaw PH and only outlaws will have PHs
    I think 80% of the threads in Anabolics are people with 1-20 post count. Only like 5-8 of em I have seen like that in the last 12 months were from intelligent people who knew their crap, but wanted to openly discuss something or expand their knowledge.
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    Yeah it is crazy. A co-worker of mine, her 14 year old brother got his hand on some havoc, figuring it was legal and all that. I explained to him that it was a STEROID and that he would get gyno if he took it and fcuk up his endocrine system for life. I bought the bottle off him, told him I could unload it at my gym, just to make sure he didn't take any. Can you belive it... 14 yrs. old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyChemist View Post
    Yeah it is crazy. A co-worker of mine, her 14 year old brother got his hand on some havoc, figuring it was legal and all that. I explained to him that it was a STEROID and that he would get gyno if he took it and fcuk up his endocrine system for life. I bought the bottle off him, told him I could unload it at my gym, just to make sure he didn't take any. Can you belive it... 14 yrs. old.
    Why the heck does someone 14 need ANY supplement other than some beef n chicken! Heck... I wieghtlifted on curly fries, mozzarella sticks, and cheeseburgers back then. And it worked lol!

    EDIT: DAAAANNNNGGGG man now I am super craving some mozzarella sticks >.< oh the yummyness!
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    Personally i think if your under 25 you shouldnt even look at PH. The Risk reward ratio isnt worth it. 18-24 I could work out after work 9pm till midnight go out party! get up at 6am work an eat a crap diet an still makes gains an be ripped! (youth) today If i have one Drinkng night my workouts suck for a day or 2! If your under 25 exhaust all your other resources first, Perfect diet, Rest, solid workouts, Then if meeded change up gears! new workout new diet etc. etc. If u hit a wall then consider PH. This Body modification is a marathon not a sprint! Long term health outways short term gains.\
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    I wish I knew more about them when first started taking them 2000
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