Self Fulfilling Prophecies and methyl steroids

[Jayhawkk]

I think i'm going to add this to my sig as it holds a ton of valuable insight and information to the masses who want to choke down the coolest and newest drug.

[spatch]

I dont know how this isnt a sticky yet.

[motiv8er]

I dont know how this isnt a sticky yet.

In the anabolics section....

[David Dunn]

Stick it!

[jomi822]

i believe that half of these people (that have always JUST TURNED "21") asking about their first cycle are really kids either just out of high school or still in highschool.

when i see kids talking about taking ph/ass when they are clearly at least 20 pounds less than what they should be before starting i have to shake my head, but there is, of course, a flipside.

i find that this situation is similiar to the whole over the counter "plan B" birth control situation. people dont want to make it easily availbe because it will promote promiscuity. other say there will be promiscuity anyway, so lets control the fall out (unplanned pregnancy). i happen to be with the latter.

the same situation applies to these idiots in high school asking about steroid use when they should not even be considering anything but learning how to eat right and train right to attain their goal, which would be ridiculously easy with their natural hormone panel. we can either tell them they are not ready and blow them off, or we can tell them how to do it correctly to minimize the damage.

i do not think that telling these idiots (and dont mistake me for a second, i hope they regret their decisions deeply later in life) is right at all, but i do think it helps to minimize the damage. kids are going to do this anyway, the best we can do is try to dissuade them as best we can and point them to the diet and training sections...but when push comes to shove we need to provide damage control.

normally, it looks like emphasis on the side effects than can and probably will experience due to their young age can deter them. Pointing out the unavoidable close of their immature growth plates seems to be particularly effective, and, not a over exaggerated side effect they have been told in health class that is clearly overly exaggerated.

i am sure some will disagree with me, but whos outlook will help to prevent these kids from hurting themselves?

personally i think we should have to recieve an "ok" from moderators before giving advice to ANYONE who asks about their cycle plan, especially those on the younger spectrum that are planning their first cycle...which will in all likelihood be STANDALONE DECAAAAA

[ripped22]

All the pills these companies are coming out with are a joke! Superdrol, Halodrol, and M1t are good steroids. Are they Better than anadrol or D-bol? Maybe, Maybe not. But because they are (were) legal people think it is ok to use them at any age or stage in your bodybuilding development. This is so far from the truth! If you are under 200 pounds and i don't care what height you are you should not be using steroids. You simply are not eating enough to mantain anything you gain. Look at anybody you know that is natural and over 200 pounds. I bet they eat a ton more than you. That is how you have eat in order to get big. All the big guys don't take roids to get bigger necessarily. They take them to get ripped and big. If you find a more mature board like i have you will see that sheer weight gain is not the determining factor in a successful steroid cycle. Anyone can gain ten pounds of water in 4-5 weeks. Sheet, you can do this with a good creatine/NO product and protein. All in all please stop taking all these damn orals at 160-175 pounds. Your wasting your time, money and health. If anything do a real cycle for 16-20 weeks and gain some quality mass that you might keep.

[spatch]

i continually try to educate my family but they seem so sceptical of supplements because of the medias perception of sports supplemnts.

They think its dangerouse because it is unknown. Mankinds greatest fear is the unknown. Think about it. UFO's, some people are afraid because they are "unidentified." Darkness scares some little children because they dont know whats there, not the darkness itself. I mean if you could contain a handfull of "darkness" and pass it to a kid who is afraid of the dark, they wouldn't run away.

Things like binge drinking and unfiltered cigs are more dangerouse, but everyone knows what they are and have been around a long time. Something like creatine hasnt been around THAT long so people think the moon will explode or something if they take it....

"My son got hit by a car today!"
"Its that damn creatine!"

[colindep]

Ive got to agree with ripped22, one of the biggest problems with these new designer steroids is the way they are advertised as safe, miracle supplements. Alot of kids get the wrong idea about them and are not informed of any of the dangers. In my mind the companies advertising their products this way and the magazines printing the ads are responsible for many of the kids getting screwed up on these new compounds.

[thesinner]

I was just watching MTV's True Life: I'm on Steroids last night. The heavy cycles these guys were running, and their rationales for running them made me shudder. I think people need to realize how trivial steroids are compared to your diet and exercise plan.

[ZERTZERT]

I just want to say that this has been one of if not the best thread I have read so far. Being that I am new to this forum community and still fairly new to aas, I wanted to say that I completely agree with the topic starter. I have been lucky to be able to be around guys older than me that have been into BB for a long time. I have never felt wierd asking questions about aas or anything like that. They were a great help at making me understand 'why' me doing one thing isnt the same as someone their age/size/condition doing it. It helped a lot because a lot of my peers that were getting into aas and talking a bunch of garbage. And when you are young 18-early 20s you can blindly listen to your peers without ever thinking twice. I just want to thank all you guys/gals out there who have helped any of the serious newbies out there that have asked real questions. Thanks

[Vebby]

I would not recommend M1T to any body...I went on for four days and became so lethargic I could barely move...

[ripped22]

I can recall a time not so very long ago. A time when M1T was "extreme" in regard to its potential dangers. A time when use and mis-use was a very serious concern by many members on the board. A time when statements like; "every kid wanting to get huge will be eating this **** like candy" and was of a serious concern. Our conscienses were very finely tuned to the potential dangers of the use and abuse of these compounds by anyone, and especially young kids just coming into the BB world/sport, with very little to no training and diet experience.

Fast forward to today. We have 20-21yr olds weighing in at 145-165lb advising other 145-165lb kids who want to get huge by doing this or that methyl. Kids who don't know how to eat or train right. Kids who have trained for the first time in their lives now wanting to take steroids.

What happened? Where is the board conscience that used to be so prominant? Is there a board conscience?

Please note: I am not anti steroids, nor anti kids (young men), nor anti kids on steroids. I'm sure this may offend a few too many. But surely there are some here who remember "back in the day" when we used conscience and caution when supplying advise.

I'm sure I'm not alone here.

this is why i left this board a long time ago. i said the same exact thing you said 6 months ago in a not so nice way. i called a couple guys out and people jumped down my back for it. look at my past posts. this board is out of contol with its abuse of oral steroids and the super walterweights that acompany it. go to an "adult" board where injects and bloodwork are the norm and you will encounter a more respected and solid knowledge base. not to mention most guys are well over 200 pounds. they flame the hell out of anyone under weight for there height that wants to use roids.

this place has become the antithesis of what it was in the begining and i will not contribute anymore.

anyway how is that PP,SD,havoc, trn, 6-ad,10-ad-3-ad, epi stack coming

[jomi822]

the problem is that there really isnt a solid base of people that will jump down these individual's backs when they suggest

1. oral cycle over 4 weeks
2. stacking multiple designer orals
3. AI only pct
4. starting steroids far too early

and i wont even get started on the "pusling" method.

[EasyEJL]

Ive got to agree with ripped22, one of the biggest problems with these new designer steroids is the way they are advertised as safe, miracle supplements. Alot of kids get the wrong idea about them and are not informed of any of the dangers. In my mind the companies advertising their products this way and the magazines printing the ads are responsible for many of the kids getting screwed up on these new compounds.

Look at these, right in your local friendly VitaminShoppe

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/e...jsp?id=L3-1001

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/e...jsp?id=L3-1003

On sale now, get em while they are hot, and oh yeah, get them thinking they are just simple supplements. I think at least if you have to buy em online, theres more chance that you actually read something about them. The thought that yesterday I was looking at the liquid masterdrol box while I was picking up some of the store brand pro-pudding mix made me queasy. Maybe even if at least they were required to only sell it as a complete with a full PCT as a single item I'd feel better.

[POTR33]

I can remember back when I first cycled androgens. I got back into training again for the first time in too long. I trained for a while and saw that I still had it. But I knew that it was consistancy and discipline that were going to get me the long term results. I spent an entire year researching androgens while perfecting my diet and training. After that year I did my first cycle. It was Nor-ADerm. Anyone even remember what that is? I then gradually proceded to 1,4dione and finally a 1T/4AD cycle. This progression took about a year. I cycled a few more 1T/4AD cycles before the "goods" started hitting the boards.

That's the thing, it's all about the access. I'll bet when you did your research (I'm assuming pre-instant internet), it was hard to find, you had to work for it. You had to work to perfect your diet and training. It was hard, as anything worth going after is hard. Hard - a word that seems to be absent this day and age as the world vehemently tries to eliminate it (note to world - you will never eliminate hard).

Nowadays, any kid wanting to look like a 300 (the movie) extra can log on and within seconds find information (likely misinformation) on these easily accessible methyl steroids. Unless they can critically think and analyze (which seems to be lost on this newer generation) their "research" amounts to nothing more than some other, slightly more experienced kid telling them to "go for it".

Now, being a Libertarian I believe in our freedom of access to things like this - but they need to have some kind of detailed post cycle therapy advisory on these products, or include a PCT "kit" with them. If for nothing else that it may prevent some Johnny rich kid from irreparably damaging himself with one of these - filing a lawsuit, and getting a permanent ban on all "muscle building supplements" (think Belcher and Ephedra). Just my 2 pennies.

-POTR33

[Gethuge]

I'll chime in here because, like b5150, I remember the days when most boards on the web had a "conscience" surrounding underaged/underexperienced roid usage. I agree that consciousness surrounding the issue has declined, not by the boards themselves but by society in general. This isn't something just localized to bodybuilding drugs though. As a whole we all tolerate things now that we wouldn't have 5, 10, or 20 years ago.

It's definitely worth taking somewhat of a stand on but the truth is that with the age of tech where "google" is a verb, kids can and will find anything they need/want. The best we can really do is give them ALL the info they need, good and bad, and hope that they can make a well informed decision.

[edwards]

I sure as hell wished there was a site like this 13 years ago when I did my first cycle of T. Cyp at the tender age of 16 with no PCT. One of my nuts is still the size of a raisin.

I'm thankfull this site exists now, since I bought a bottle of Halovar thinking it was a bb supplement only to find out it was legal gear. Who the hell knew they were selling roids at the supplement store?

[Gethuge]

I sure as hell wished there was a site like this 13 years ago when I did my first cycle of T. Cyp at the tender age of 16 with no post cycle therapy. One of my nuts is still the size of a raisin.

I'm thankfull this site exists now, since I bought a bottle of Halovar thinking it was a bb supplement only to find out it was legal gear. Who the hell knew they were selling roids at the supplement store?

A valid point. I guess that's one thing we can be more sure of now.....that even the youngest users are pretty well informed about what they are doing. Save, of course, for the few who are just too unreasonable to do any amount of research and instead just track down a source and start in.

[silverSurfer]

I can recall a time not so very long ago. A time when M1T was "extreme" in regard to its potential dangers...
Fast forward to today. We have 20-21yr olds weighing in at 145-165lb advising other 145-165lb kids who want to get huge by doing this or that methyl...
What happened? Where is the board conscience that used to be so prominant? Is there a board conscience?
...
I'm sure I'm not alone here.

I agree 100%!

I think old forum members no longer participate like they used to; you are one of the few that I remember from "back in the day."

I did not read too far beyond your post - I don't think the issue requires much in-depth analysis, all we have to do is act. There is nothing we can do to control marketing of products by companies making false claims and putting kids at risk, the only thing we can do in this forum is inform people of the potential consequences of misuse especially if you are not an adult and/or experienced athlete. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the ultimate objective here is to motivate forum members to get their basic meal and workout plan in place and be disciplined enough to follow it and learn from it. If they get this under their belt they will have much better understanding of bodybuilding concepts and how they apply to their unique physiques - we are all different.

Although I am not a moderator (don't want to be one either) or a board sponsor, I give you my pledge to help steer minors away from these supplements in hopes to get the forum under control again.

We already have a good practical solution to this problem - direct them to BOBO's FLA programs

If I completely misunderstood your intention please delete this thread, but also PM me - I want to help.

Thanks.

[EasyEJL]

A valid point. I guess that's one thing we can be more sure of now.....that even the youngest users are pretty well informed about what they are doing. Save, of course, for the few who are just too unreasonable to do any amount of research and instead just track down a source and start in.

I see plenty of those posts "I'm 14 days into my xxx cycle, and my nuts feel weird, should I start taking my restore now"