Self Fulfilling Prophecies and methyl steroids
- 09-14-2005, 12:18 PM
- 09-15-2005, 07:10 PM
I missed this thread the first time around. I am very proud to read it though. Don't laugh, I manage a Hollister Clothing store. I play big, big brother to 75 odd kids. I deal with poor decision making youths all the time. Kids doing what they do, jumping into an unfilled pool.
It will always be difficult to balance the successful athlete who is driven to research, and the kid who wants quick easy answers. I feel it is our duty to show a better path. Instead of saying DO MORE RESEARCH!!! (Followed by please lay off the caps!) I try to write down the key words. Sometimes we can answer the same question in a sentence, sometimes we can show the right path in a sentence.
In my youth I would have given anything to have known about a board like AM. We don't provide answers here, we illuminate paths. We show you the door. The answers must come from you in the end.
This board is full of people who have asked themselves many of the same questions, and searched many of the same questions. And so it is our purpose, to show others- the way it is done.
The mods do a great, tough job here. Balancing law, ethics, and mass amounts of info. I try to treat everyone here as though I know them. A community that looks out for the most jacked and inspiring, to the hungriest and perspiring. I take pride in using and sharing what I learn here. I'm proud to be a member. End of rant, sob, snot, cough...
Am I my brother's keeper? Yes I am.My The 1 LOG: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/254164-my-one-log.html
- 09-15-2005, 07:30 PM
Good thread! I hope the people who read this realize one thing. There is NO substitute for hard work and diet. It took me four years to realize this myself. What you do now will effect you down the road. I guess this is my two cents: if you think you are 100% sure you know what your doing, do more research.
09-15-2005, 11:37 PM
yeah, incredibly relevant stuff. Good for all to review (or see for the first time!) Props to AM and all who dwell herein!
09-29-2005, 09:14 AM
Youth is wasted on the young....I wish I knew then what I know now.
09-30-2005, 11:43 PM
What do you know now?Originally Posted by Brfish
10-12-2005, 09:29 AM
"I wish to God I didn't know now the things I didn't know then"
10-29-2005, 12:54 AM
...for the boat-load of newbie posts that flood this place with the surge of the newbie OTC methylated steroids and ban rumors.
Keep this in mind when many of us are not as excited as some of you are when the newest and best-est steroid is made available at all our favorite retail outlets.
Or when you start a thread that says, dudes...I'm stocking up...what should I get.
Remember, we're the dummies...not you.
10-29-2005, 09:16 AM
Originally Posted by B5150
2 huge problems in my generation. (i'm 17)
1. Work ethic, or lack of. This leads into problem #2
Problem #1) Your DAMN RIGHT when you say kids these days are lazy. I agree. We have everything handed to us. 80% of us either go home and sleep or play XBOX for hours after school.
This isnt just on a physical level. How in the hell is India and China pumping out better students out of college than the US? Not like we dont have the technology, were just lazy.
Problem #2) Why do islamic terrorist hate us? There jealous of your country. We have supermarkets and movies, they have sand, and more sand.
Why did hitler hate the jews? Jealousy. They had money, they (the nazi party) didn't.
Why do kids my age want to take roids? This is more complicated. Basically, they see big kids like me and the get, you guessed it, jealous. They respond in 1 of 4 ways.
1) Work ethic- re-read my above passages if you that thats going to happen a lot.
2) denial- "That kid is only big because he takes steroids" they think, so they give up before they even start to get in shape.
3) they get desperate- They take seroids/ph's
4) worst of all, a deep, dark depression- Suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death of those under 21. I'm willing to bet that most of these are caused by poor body image.
This would all be prevented if kids wernt so damn lazy.
10-29-2005, 09:19 AM
Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
What do you mean, if its on TV, its gotta be true
10-29-2005, 12:42 PM
10-29-2005, 01:13 PM
True.Originally Posted by B5150
Lets all get excited about Methoxy-this and Halo-that... untested, unproven, and uncertain substances...
In fact... let's all buy a bunch. Why not?
10-30-2005, 09:30 AM
10-30-2005, 11:25 AM
The biggest problem w/ BBing is the percepion that EVERYONE can become huge by lifting weights and popping pills. The two important factors in BBing are patience and dedication.
It is so bizarre to me that every person thinks by lifting a weight that they will explode w/ mass and can become a pro. I would like someone to tell me any endeavor that he/she can become the best in the world after only a few months. I am pretty sure that no person thinks they can play in the NFL after starting to play football when they are in their mid-20s...
11-09-2005, 12:05 PM
From my point of view, being only 20 yrs. old, I don't like the idea of relying on supplements for gains off the bat. It really makes me angry when I'm browsing a few forums and read posts by guys who are 17-20 saying they know the dangers, but want to do it anyway. Why not spend the money on some good food, and learn to lift properly, and use minimal supps. I've only been seriously lifting now for abt 2 months and I've def. noticed a change from eating clean and working out with a good program.
Just my .02- I don't want to touch any methyl-this or that for a loong time. No thank you.
"A Native American elder once described his own inner struggles in this manner: Inside of me there are two dogs. One of the dogs is mean and evil. The other dog is good. The mean dog fights the good dog all the time. When asked which dog wins, he reflected for a moment and replied, The one I feed the most." -George Bernard Shaw
11-15-2005, 01:27 AM
I think this should be posted every time a teenager asks about anabolics here (right before the thread gets locked).Originally Posted by bow
02-09-2006, 01:17 PM
I think in general society has a miracle pill for everything. Why is a teenager guilty of ignorant use of PH when their parents at home take lipitor for high colesterol while they eat extra buttered popcorn on the couch. Hollywood has one of the most powerful effect on influential minds, all this is a world of botox, colonics, plastic surgery and last but not least designer eating disorders. Has anyone noticed how drug use in general has changed. Kids dont just smoke pot and munch out, crystal meth is disturbing, excstacy is widely used, and binge drinking is the norm. I am the only person in my family who knows about any sort of supplements, i continually try to educate my family but they seem so sceptical of supplements because of the medias perception of sports supplemnts. I think the coverage by the governments in north america is lacking to say the least and definetely inadequate. They IMO have managed to scare away people from supplements and opened up a new door for kids looking for something to get on. There has always been influential children looking to do whatever is inthe media, smoking proves it everyday. If an actor did juice in a movie think of how that made you feel, the music was all tense like you know its wrong and its goona catch up to him soon enough. But when someones smoking its pure exstacy and they love every second of it, so its implied that its ok and COOL people smoke. I think our perspective as people loooking to learn about our bodies and tap in to the fountain of physical youth is gracious with pure in tent of correcting the problems started somwhere else. Once they get here atleast they have a chance at making informed decisions. The problem IMO is not this forum and its advice or number of posts in any section its everyday life and this is a lifeline for someone swiming through the sewer of life. Dont scorn idiots, newbs or kids dont push them away, offer help. Weve all been young, uninformed, or out classed, but we never want to feel stupid isolated or small. AM helping to fix everyones problems one post at a time.
02-09-2006, 03:45 PM
Great post Somewhat!
When I think about what my knowledge and attitide towards supplements and diet was 15 years ago..I shudder.
03-29-2006, 08:29 AM
I just ran across this thread searching for something else.
B5150 nailed the title on this one. It looks like the problem is getting worse instead of better as far as younger guys jumping into cycles.
The MODS here do a great job trying to educate and keep these kids from making mistakes that could last a lifetime, but there is only so much they can do.
You just cannot afford to advise a teen how to use steroids or PH's, even though you know some of them are going to cycle regardless of the reasons we tell them not to.
04-05-2006, 02:09 PM
With the tremendous influx of new board members this is so much more relevant. So many very inexperienced first time users sharing their (in)experience with other first time users is becoming epidemic. Experience means nothing without knowledge and knowledge means nothing without wisdom. Steroids are not dangerous in the hands of mature, intelligent, knowledgeable, safe users. Unfortunately there are far too few of these coming of age lately.
09-27-2006, 09:49 PM
I think i'm going to add this to my sig as it holds a ton of valuable insight and information to the masses who want to choke down the coolest and newest drug.
09-30-2006, 09:21 PM
10-02-2006, 09:42 AM
In the anabolics section....Originally Posted by spatch
My The 1 LOG: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/254164-my-one-log.html
10-02-2006, 09:49 AM
10-02-2006, 10:35 AM
i believe that half of these people (that have always JUST TURNED "21") asking about their first cycle are really kids either just out of high school or still in highschool.
when i see kids talking about taking ph/ass when they are clearly at least 20 pounds less than what they should be before starting i have to shake my head, but there is, of course, a flipside.
i find that this situation is similiar to the whole over the counter "plan B" birth control situation. people dont want to make it easily availbe because it will promote promiscuity. other say there will be promiscuity anyway, so lets control the fall out (unplanned pregnancy). i happen to be with the latter.
the same situation applies to these idiots in high school asking about steroid use when they should not even be considering anything but learning how to eat right and train right to attain their goal, which would be ridiculously easy with their natural hormone panel. we can either tell them they are not ready and blow them off, or we can tell them how to do it correctly to minimize the damage.
i do not think that telling these idiots (and dont mistake me for a second, i hope they regret their decisions deeply later in life) is right at all, but i do think it helps to minimize the damage. kids are going to do this anyway, the best we can do is try to dissuade them as best we can and point them to the diet and training sections...but when push comes to shove we need to provide damage control.
normally, it looks like emphasis on the side effects than can and probably will experience due to their young age can deter them. Pointing out the unavoidable close of their immature growth plates seems to be particularly effective, and, not a over exaggerated side effect they have been told in health class that is clearly overly exaggerated.
i am sure some will disagree with me, but whos outlook will help to prevent these kids from hurting themselves?
personally i think we should have to recieve an "ok" from moderators before giving advice to ANYONE who asks about their cycle plan, especially those on the younger spectrum that are planning their first cycle...which will in all likelihood be STANDALONE DECAAAAA
10-07-2006, 05:02 PM
All the pills these companies are coming out with are a joke! Superdrol, Halodrol, and M1t are good steroids. Are they Better than anadrol or D-bol? Maybe, Maybe not. But because they are (were) legal people think it is ok to use them at any age or stage in your bodybuilding development. This is so far from the truth! If you are under 200 pounds and i don't care what height you are you should not be using steroids. You simply are not eating enough to mantain anything you gain. Look at anybody you know that is natural and over 200 pounds. I bet they eat a ton more than you. That is how you have eat in order to get big. All the big guys don't take roids to get bigger necessarily. They take them to get ripped and big. If you find a more mature board like i have you will see that sheer weight gain is not the determining factor in a successful steroid cycle. Anyone can gain ten pounds of water in 4-5 weeks. Sheet, you can do this with a good creatine/NO product and protein. All in all please stop taking all these damn orals at 160-175 pounds. Your wasting your time, money and health. If anything do a real cycle for 16-20 weeks and gain some quality mass that you might keep.
12-09-2006, 10:32 AM
They think its dangerouse because it is unknown. Mankinds greatest fear is the unknown. Think about it. UFO's, some people are afraid because they are "unidentified." Darkness scares some little children because they dont know whats there, not the darkness itself. I mean if you could contain a handfull of "darkness" and pass it to a kid who is afraid of the dark, they wouldn't run away.Originally Posted by somewhatgifted
Things like binge drinking and unfiltered cigs are more dangerouse, but everyone knows what they are and have been around a long time. Something like creatine hasnt been around THAT long so people think the moon will explode or something if they take it....
"My son got hit by a car today!"
"Its that damn creatine!"
01-19-2007, 01:19 PM
Ive got to agree with ripped22, one of the biggest problems with these new designer steroids is the way they are advertised as safe, miracle supplements. Alot of kids get the wrong idea about them and are not informed of any of the dangers. In my mind the companies advertising their products this way and the magazines printing the ads are responsible for many of the kids getting screwed up on these new compounds.
02-12-2007, 09:22 AM
I was just watching MTV's True Life: I'm on Steroids last night. The heavy cycles these guys were running, and their rationales for running them made me shudder. I think people need to realize how trivial steroids are compared to your diet and exercise plan.
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02-17-2007, 06:13 PM
I just want to say that this has been one of if not the best thread I have read so far. Being that I am new to this forum community and still fairly new to aas, I wanted to say that I completely agree with the topic starter. I have been lucky to be able to be around guys older than me that have been into BB for a long time. I have never felt wierd asking questions about aas or anything like that. They were a great help at making me understand 'why' me doing one thing isnt the same as someone their age/size/condition doing it. It helped a lot because a lot of my peers that were getting into aas and talking a bunch of garbage. And when you are young 18-early 20s you can blindly listen to your peers without ever thinking twice. I just want to thank all you guys/gals out there who have helped any of the serious newbies out there that have asked real questions. Thanks
05-16-2007, 07:28 PM
I would not recommend M1T to any body...I went on for four days and became so lethargic I could barely move...
05-29-2007, 10:14 AM
this is why i left this board a long time ago. i said the same exact thing you said 6 months ago in a not so nice way. i called a couple guys out and people jumped down my back for it. look at my past posts. this board is out of contol with its abuse of oral steroids and the super walterweights that acompany it. go to an "adult" board where injects and bloodwork are the norm and you will encounter a more respected and solid knowledge base. not to mention most guys are well over 200 pounds. they flame the hell out of anyone under weight for there height that wants to use roids.
this place has become the antithesis of what it was in the begining and i will not contribute anymore.
anyway how is that PP,SD,havoc, trn, 6-ad,10-ad-3-ad, epi stack coming
06-01-2007, 01:11 PM
the problem is that there really isnt a solid base of people that will jump down these individual's backs when they suggest
1. oral cycle over 4 weeks
2. stacking multiple designer orals
3. AI only pct
4. starting steroids far too early
and i wont even get started on the "pusling" method.
06-20-2007, 09:39 AM
On sale now, get em while they are hot, and oh yeah, get them thinking they are just simple supplements. I think at least if you have to buy em online, theres more chance that you actually read something about them. The thought that yesterday I was looking at the liquid masterdrol box while I was picking up some of the store brand pro-pudding mix made me queasy. Maybe even if at least they were required to only sell it as a complete with a full PCT as a single item I'd feel better.
06-27-2007, 11:44 PM
Nowadays, any kid wanting to look like a 300 (the movie) extra can log on and within seconds find information (likely misinformation) on these easily accessible methyl steroids. Unless they can critically think and analyze (which seems to be lost on this newer generation) their "research" amounts to nothing more than some other, slightly more experienced kid telling them to "go for it".
Now, being a Libertarian I believe in our freedom of access to things like this - but they need to have some kind of detailed post cycle therapy advisory on these products, or include a PCT "kit" with them. If for nothing else that it may prevent some Johnny rich kid from irreparably damaging himself with one of these - filing a lawsuit, and getting a permanent ban on all "muscle building supplements" (think Belcher and Ephedra). Just my 2 pennies.
08-17-2007, 08:28 AM
I'll chime in here because, like b5150, I remember the days when most boards on the web had a "conscience" surrounding underaged/underexperienced roid usage. I agree that consciousness surrounding the issue has declined, not by the boards themselves but by society in general. This isn't something just localized to bodybuilding drugs though. As a whole we all tolerate things now that we wouldn't have 5, 10, or 20 years ago.
It's definitely worth taking somewhat of a stand on but the truth is that with the age of tech where "google" is a verb, kids can and will find anything they need/want. The best we can really do is give them ALL the info they need, good and bad, and hope that they can make a well informed decision.
08-24-2007, 09:40 PM
I sure as hell wished there was a site like this 13 years ago when I did my first cycle of T. Cyp at the tender age of 16 with no PCT. One of my nuts is still the size of a raisin.
I'm thankfull this site exists now, since I bought a bottle of Halovar thinking it was a bb supplement only to find out it was legal gear. Who the hell knew they were selling roids at the supplement store?
08-25-2007, 06:37 AM
08-25-2007, 07:58 AM
I agree 100%!
I think old forum members no longer participate like they used to; you are one of the few that I remember from "back in the day."
I did not read too far beyond your post - I don't think the issue requires much in-depth analysis, all we have to do is act. There is nothing we can do to control marketing of products by companies making false claims and putting kids at risk, the only thing we can do in this forum is inform people of the potential consequences of misuse especially if you are not an adult and/or experienced athlete. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the ultimate objective here is to motivate forum members to get their basic meal and workout plan in place and be disciplined enough to follow it and learn from it. If they get this under their belt they will have much better understanding of bodybuilding concepts and how they apply to their unique physiques - we are all different.
Although I am not a moderator (don't want to be one either) or a board sponsor, I give you my pledge to help steer minors away from these supplements in hopes to get the forum under control again.
We already have a good practical solution to this problem - direct them to BOBO's FLA programs
If I completely misunderstood your intention please delete this thread, but also PM me - I want to help.
08-25-2007, 10:11 AM
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