Fav EPISTANE ClONEs

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by steppinRazor

    thats awesome man..what dose are you running?
    I'm running for 5weeks...30/40/40/40/50

    So far no sides or anything bad...
    "Difficult things take a long time, impossible things take a little longer."
    OG Punjabi Avenger


  2. Yeah interested in what you are dosing yours at as well

    Edit.
    Nvm just saw your post now. Lol
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk

    when something gets banned, it is the nomenclature that gets banned

    you'll notice all sd out today is listed as the beta isomer. however, there is some thought that the beta isomer is worthless so what's actually in the bottle is the alpha. i guess when they ban the beta in the coming time... companies can start labeling it as the alpha isomer, which it really is lol.

    other than that, the only other stereocenter is carbon 2. so you can rearrange the 2a-methyl to become 2b-methyl and that would be another stereoisomer of SD.

    however it is important to note that stereoisomers can exert completely different properties... so the chances of cloning the clone and getting a functional steroid resembling SD in properties are extremely small
    That's what I've been reading. Mdrol was the most talked about using the b isomer but later tested as an a isomer. It was a misprint. Done on purpose? Probaly. Like u mention, companies can start labeling it as an a isomer now. Did u ever hear anything about the DEA are trying to ban all prohormone once and for all? I read somewhere if it's related to a steroid it's ban and they don't need to go through approval and hassle.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by punjabimunde View Post
    I'm running for 5weeks...30/40/40/40/50

    So far no sides or anything bad...
    nice! i tried epi at 30-40mg i didnt really get much out of it. 60mg seems to be my sweet spot..

    that said, im running it right now.. week 2 and just bumped up to 60mg
    strength gains are comin in strong - and theres plenty more on the way...as far as sides, nonexistent - thanks to transaderm

  5. Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    when something gets banned, it is the nomenclature that gets banned

    you'll notice all sd out today is listed as the beta isomer. however, there is some thought that the beta isomer is worthless so what's actually in the bottle is the alpha. i guess when they ban the beta in the coming time... companies can start labeling it as the alpha isomer, which it really is lol.

    other than that, the only other stereocenter is carbon 2. so you can rearrange the 2a-methyl to become 2b-methyl and that would be another stereoisomer of SD.

    however it is important to note that stereoisomers can exert completely different properties... so the chances of cloning the clone and getting a functional steroid resembling SD in properties are extremely small
    SD was never actually banned in 05. The FDA sent the company selling it (AX at that time I believe) a letter recommending that they stop selling it or face possible consequences. AX took the advice and stopped selling it, but SD was never legally "banned" per say and was not scheduled by the DEA as a controlled substance at that time. This time it looks like it's going to be scheduled by the DEA.

    Nobody ever purposely manufactured or sold a 5b isomer. This would back fire quickly because the 5b isomer of androgens have little to no activity due to the conformational change caused by 5b reduction. As someone else said, any label listing a 5b isomer is probably a misprint.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by steppinRazor

    nice! i tried epi at 30-40mg i didnt really get much out of it. 60mg seems to be my sweet spot..

    that said, im running it right now.. week 2 and just bumped up to 60mg
    strength gains are comin in strong - and theres plenty more on the way...as far as sides, nonexistent - thanks to transaderm
    Wow 60 is high lol...well good luck bro...this is my first ph cycle and it's fun already...can't wait till week 3...that's when real gains start coming lol....
    "Difficult things take a long time, impossible things take a little longer."
    OG Punjabi Avenger

  7. Quote Originally Posted by dannyn2007 View Post
    That's what I've been reading. Mdrol was the most talked about using the b isomer but later tested as an a isomer. It was a misprint. Done on purpose? Probaly. Like u mention, companies can start labeling it as an a isomer now. Did u ever hear anything about the DEA are trying to ban all prohormone once and for all? I read somewhere if it's related to a steroid it's ban and they don't need to go through approval and hassle.
    it would make the most sense to ban all PH, since their are alot of different compounds that havent hit the PH market yet. They ban one and soon a new one hits the market. I hope they come up with something great here soon.

  8. No love for CEL e-stane??? Wowowowow

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam
    No love for CEL e-stane??? Wowowowow
    I heard there's lots of bunk e stane....not sure but heard alot
    "Difficult things take a long time, impossible things take a little longer."
    OG Punjabi Avenger

  10. Quote Originally Posted by heckler7 View Post
    it would make the most sense to ban all PH, since their are alot of different compounds that havent hit the PH market yet. They ban one and soon a new one hits the market. I hope they come up with something great here soon.
    a few new ones are out/going to be out by IBE. boladrol is a year or 2 old, trenavar just came out, and mentabolan or whatver u call it is on presale. methylsten/ultradrol is pretty new cause the ones produced before was tested to be superdrol. hopefully they stay out for awhile.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by punjabimunde View Post
    I heard there's lots of bunk e stane....not sure but heard alot
    Bought 2 bottles, used em and found them to be potent and legit. Just picked up 2 more bottles. I've heard from reputable sources that e-stane is legit. Have no reason to doubt CEL really.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam

    Bought 2 bottles, used em and found them to be potent and legit. Just picked up 2 more bottles. I've heard from reputable sources that e-stane is legit. Have no reason to doubt CEL really.
    Yea I kno CEL is one of the legit company but they did had some issues with e stane...but I think they fixed it already...
    "Difficult things take a long time, impossible things take a little longer."
    OG Punjabi Avenger

  13. E-stane is ok, wasnt impressed.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by dannyn2007 View Post
    a few new ones are out/going to be out by IBE. boladrol is a year or 2 old, trenavar just came out, and mentabolan or whatver u call it is on presale. methylsten/ultradrol is pretty new cause the ones produced before was tested to be superdrol. hopefully they stay out for awhile.
    its promising, but so far nothing is close to trenx. Would be nice to see something you can take longer and get a more fuller cycle.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by heckler7 View Post
    its promising, but so far nothing is close to trenx. Would be nice to see something you can take longer and get a more fuller cycle.
    step over to the darkside.
    dbol kckstart
    test e 1-12 weeks

    boom, longer and keepable....

  16. Quote Originally Posted by punjabimunde View Post
    Just get IBE epistane...
    Quote Originally Posted by punjabimunde View Post
    I heard there's lots of bunk e stane....not sure but heard alot
    Quote Originally Posted by punjabimunde View Post
    Yea I kno CEL is one of the legit company but they did had some issues with e stane...but I think they fixed it already...
    Endorses the brand with ongoing widely known QC issues and slams another brand.....please stop.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by dannyn2007 View Post
    step over to the darkside.
    dbol kckstart
    test e 1-12 weeks

    boom, longer and keepable....
    Let's not turn it in to that type of debate. Some people can't/won't inject.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by dannyn2007 View Post
    step over to the darkside.
    dbol kckstart
    test e 1-12 weeks

    boom, longer and keepable....
    already there bro, week 9 of Dbol kick and test e. Just saying, if something good hit the market then I would jump on it.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Let's not turn it in to that type of debate. Some people can't/won't inject.
    theres no debate but alright.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by jason79 View Post
    SD was never actually banned in 05. The FDA sent the company selling it (AX at that time I believe) a letter recommending that they stop selling it or face possible consequences. AX took the advice and stopped selling it, but SD was never legally "banned" per say and was not scheduled by the DEA as a controlled substance at that time. This time it looks like it's going to be scheduled by the DEA.

    Nobody ever purposely manufactured or sold a 5b isomer. This would back fire quickly because the 5b isomer of androgens have little to no activity due to the conformational change caused by 5b reduction. As someone else said, any label listing a 5b isomer is probably a misprint.
    yea i guess that's what happened in 05... nothing banned

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Bought 2 bottles, used em and found them to be potent and legit. Just picked up 2 more bottles. I've heard from reputable sources that e-stane is legit. Have no reason to doubt CEL really.
    e-stane is still floating around????? bottles are probably so old we can all get some phera out of em

  22. I've read a lot of reviews of IBE epistane being bunk, but then again some very favourable ones. I'm leaning towards just purchasing Havoc, haven't seen any 'non responders' there thus far.
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  23. I went with E-Stane it was easy to find on eBay. And CEL is pretty trusted imo

  24. Got 2 bottles of IBE's epi, sealed, I'm sitting on I'd love to get rid of...

  25. Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    Got 2 bottles of IBE's epi, sealed, I'm sitting on I'd love to get rid of...
    buy one get one free?

  26. what websites are cel and ibe epi sold on???? sorry if its a dumb question

  27. Quote Originally Posted by earl
    what websites are cel and ibe epi sold on???? sorry if its a dumb question
    I don't think we're allowed to say. I've found IBE by googling but it was expensive where I found it.

  28. arnt they llegal????

  29. I prefer IBE

  30. thanks
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