P-Stanz vs Winny
- 02-06-2012, 07:20 AM
- 02-06-2012, 10:59 AM
to those that care, I applogize for not specifying the thp ether molecule is attached to the 17b-ol part of the steroid.
the thp ether group is like a ester attached to a steroid molecule (though they are removed via different means, ester's (like test-e,a,c..etc) are removed via enzymes in the blood, allowing the steroid to become active) and with pstanz, the thp ether group is removed via the stomach acids, leaving a fully active steroid.
the partial ether group is just a method of protection, like esters, methyls, ethyls, etc. the compound does not convert into anything except inactive metabolites, and is not a pro hormone.
effects are very similar, if not identical (though for this to happen, dosing would need to be ran higher) to it's 17aa methylated big brother.
02-06-2012, 11:08 AM
02-06-2012, 03:21 PM
02-06-2012, 05:04 PM
cel, lgi are the two I know that make a solo prostanozol clone. i'd have to check, but pstanz (cel) is easily attainable still.
02-07-2012, 12:04 AM
eh, yeah I get it that it's technically unmethylated winny with a 17b-THP. It's not active with the ether at 17b. Got that? Not active, won't bind the AR. The THP comes off during digestion. Or to state it differently, it's converted into the active substance at some point during digestion and metabolization. When the thp is cleaved off it's winny without the 17a-methyl.
Now, to review, if it's swallowed as an inactive 17b-ether (thp) and becomes active during digestion in the body, when the thp is removed, I'd say that makes it a PH to unmethylated winny. Maybe it doesn't meet the strictest criteria for what defines a prodrug, but conceptually it's close enough for the sake and scope of my post. Anymore questions?
02-07-2012, 12:12 AM
02-07-2012, 12:15 AM
Also, I simply tried to clarify myself when jbryan rudely told me to go google it or some other such unhelpful nonsense. Somehow that makes my post childish? For the record, take note that I'm not the one who got personal over this, and I still haven't. Can we act like civil people here now and have an informative discussion? I took a hiatus from this website, but I knew it was at one time. Does this still hold true?
02-07-2012, 12:21 AM
02-07-2012, 12:39 AM
also, it is fun to make fun of people.
For me, the action IS the juice.
02-07-2012, 12:41 AM
02-07-2012, 12:52 AM
No, don't get me wrong, I don't mind if people make fun of me or what I post. I take it and give it out on other forums, but I don't usually like to bull**** in a serious thread where someone is asking a legit question. Also, I'm more apt to take barbs directed at me if they're actually funny or clever. None of the barbs sent my way were funny or original in the least. One said "my post was like a child" and another told me something like "wrong go google and try again". That's uncalled for wouldn't you agree. I won't stand for that. I also think that if someone wants to brashly critique something I posted, they should make sure they have their facts straight.
02-07-2012, 07:48 PM
05-11-2012, 06:21 PM
what type of visual gains will you notice from p-stanz at 300/350/400/400/400/400? im beggining week 3 and dident want to tke winny due to it destroying lipids
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