For those that have used both .....
Comparable?
Comparable?
For those that have used both .....
Comparable?
I'm thinking no, winny can kill lipids badly, not so sure any non methyl can do that even at high dosesThanks JB
I'm really trying the avoid methyls these days
Although me thinks 400 mg of Pstanz might be just as side effect pronse as 50 mg of Winny ya know?
Hey my man, speaking from experience .... from other people of course i can say that pstanz should not be run any less then 300mg a day taken in three different doses , 100mgs in morning, afternoon and evening. This dosage will yield the most results with the lowest sides for that amount and of course every person is diffrent so i would recommend starting with 100mg for a day or two then everyday there after increase your dose by 50 to 100 mgs. when introducing a compound into your system esp designer drugs we always want to se how it reacts with ones body...at least I would ....if not seeing any negative sides ....then to see max results keep that 300mgs in your system everyday for at least 4-6 weeks and have even heard of guys holding that dosage for 8-12 weeks with no sides but again all up to the user..Thanks JB
I'm really trying the avoid methyls these days
Although me thinks 400 mg of Pstanz might be just as side effect pronse as 50 mg of Winny ya know?
Don't like posting up about my anabolic use in case a police department(employer) sees it, so please delete after u read, thanks:For those that have used both .....
Comparable?
Pm sent but not showing in my outbox.. U get one from me?For those that have used both .....
Comparable?
LolPS listen to JB, he knows his stuff!!!!!
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see look at this guy he took on cycle of pstanz at 300mgs for just 6 weeks and went from 155 pound to this ...... crazy right ? lmoa
goodluck bro
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Wow it was so long tooLol
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Wow it was so long too
I'm gonna use it with hdrol at 350/75I am planing on running pstanz +hdrol dosed at 150 mg pstanz and 75 hdrol.Try this,seems to get good feed back.I would go with p-stanz because looking for oral winny/inject winny online comes up with some MEGA unreliable sources on the web which is how most people get their anabolics.Pstanz is easily available(for those with hook ups to real winny congratz and wish I had some of your sources just to try,Your lucky) which is the main difference between the 2 except for pstanz being liver friendly ish.
Side note:150 mg pstanz is the recommended on an information site I use so I will follow that.
I'm still quite new to PH's and I know how I react to hdrol.Pstanz?I would rather go with 150 because I don't know how I react to that ph.I'm gonna use it with hdrol at 350/75
um no, I'm correct. Better check your facts.You both are wrong, google, then try again
It's not a PH to stanozolol. P-stanz is a PH to unmethylated stanozolol. Without the 17a-methyl it's a different compound.
You both are wrong, google, then try again
See what I had posted above. How was that wrong? I basically said the same thing you did in the above quote. Again, p-stanz is is unmethylated stanozolol with a 17b-THP. Note also that it's a 17b-THP, so technically your phrasing above is a bit inaccurate. It isn't "instead of a 17a-methyl". This implies that it has a 17a-THP which is incorrect.pstanz is an oral non methylated steroid.
instead of a 17a methyl group, it has a thp ether (partial ether) group.
pro stanozol is non methylated version of winstrol.
both active steroids.
:thumbsup:You said it was a PH to unmethylated stano, that was what was wrong. It's already active. And the rest of your post is like a little kid.
hah wrongIt's not a PH to stanozolol. P-stanz is a PH to unmethylated stanozolol. Without the 17a-methyl it's a different compound.
:thumbsup:
mucho gracias
to those that care, I applogize for not specifying the thp ether molecule is attached to the 17b-ol part of the steroid.
the thp ether group is like a ester attached to a steroid molecule (though they are removed via different means, ester's (like test-e,a,c..etc) are removed via enzymes in the blood, allowing the steroid to become active) and with pstanz, the thp ether group is removed via the stomach acids, leaving a fully active steroid.
the partial ether group is just a method of protection, like esters, methyls, ethyls, etc. the compound does not convert into anything except inactive metabolites, and is not a pro hormone.
effects are very similar, if not identical (though for this to happen, dosing would need to be ran higher) to it's 17aa methylated big brother.
no one asked you any questionseh, yeah I get it that it's technically unmethylated winny with a 17b-THP. It's not active with the ether at 17b. Got that? Not active, won't bind the AR. The THP comes off during digestion. Or to state it differently, it's converted into the active substance at some point during digestion and metabolization. When the thp is cleaved off it's winny without the 17a-methyl.
Now, to review, if it's swallowed as an inactive 17b-ether (thp) and becomes active during digestion in the body, when the thp is removed, I'd say that makes it a PH to unmethylated winny. Maybe it doesn't meet the strictest criteria for what defines a prodrug, but conceptually it's close enough for the sake and scope of my post. Anymore questions?
Um no. that molecule WILL NOT bind the androgen receptor with the THP ether attached at 17b. So the THP needs to be removed during the process of digestion/metabolization to yield the active hormone (unmethylated winny). This is why I referred to it as a PH. maybe an ether doesn't necessarily qualify it as a true prodrug but for the purposes of the op, it's not an inaccurate way of thnking about it. In order to fit your description, it should lack the thp when you swallow it. Unless the product is mislabeled, this isn't the case.You said it was a PH to unmethylated stano, that was what was wrong. It's already active. And the rest of your post is like a little kid.
Well the OP was framed as a question in a public forum. So in effect we're all eligible to answer the question. If someone wants to ask a particular member a question they would send a pm. I got a little defensive because I posted originally to try and be helpful, and what I said wasn't inaccurate. All of the reponses so far have been at least somewhat rude and I'm just a tad confused why I'm getting this kind of reception for trying to be helpful. is that how things work here at am now? If anyone tries to be helpful other than a few select members, they're subjected to sophomoric little quips?no one asked you any questions
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relax. everythings good. you don't have to keep proving why you said what you said.
I thought you were expressing that there were more questions out there,aside from the original post, that were being asked. You have every right, and are encouraged, to express your informed opinion on any subject that may arise, or that you wish to bring up.Well the OP was framed as a question in a public forum. So in effect we're all eligible to answer the question. If someone wants to ask a particular member a question they would send a pm. I got a little defensive because I posted originally to try and be helpful, and what I said wasn't inaccurate. All of the reponses so far have been at least somewhat rude and I'm just a tad confused why I'm getting this kind of reception for trying to be helpful. is that how things work here at am now? If anyone tries to be helpful other than a few select members, they're subjected to sophomoric little quips?
I think this is where the misunderstanding is stemming from. P-stanz isn't active without alteration in the way a 17a-methyl is. The 17b-thp steroid is not active until the thp is removed in the body. A 17a-methylated steroid is active with the methyl group attached and in fact, afaik, the methyl isn't removed during metabolization, and excreted metabolites still carry it. So, in summary p-stanz is not active as the thp ether in the bottle, just like androstenedione isn't active (or is only minimally active) in the bottle. When pstanz is swallowed, the thp is removed during digestion and or metabolic processes to form the active hormone. Only the pstanz that reaches target tissues with the ether removed will contribute results. A 17a alkylated aas such as sd or dbol is active without metabolization or in vivo alteration of the molecule. In fact, contrary to pstanz or other prodrugs, the methyl group makes it less susceptible to metabolization when ingested. The idea is to get as much of the drug into circulation unaltered as possible. With a prodrug it's best to have as much of it altered as possible. This is the difference between an active aas and a prohormone. I just want it to be clear why I was treating p-stanz as a ph of sorts.pstanz is an oral non methylated steroid.
instead of a 17a methyl group, it has a thp ether (partial ether) group.
pro stanozol is non methylated version of winstrol.
both active steroids.
No, I had answered the question, and I was just defending what I posted to those who contested it. I think there's a slight misunderstanding as to how p-stanz works in this thread and I want to clear it up, regardless of whether I'm wrong or right (but as of now nobody has convinced me that I'm wrong).I thought you were expressing that there were more questions out there,aside from the original post, that were being asked. You have every right, and are encouraged, to express your informed opinion on any subject that may arise, or that you wish to bring up.
also, it is fun to make fun of people.
cel, lgi are the two I know that make a solo prostanozol clone. i'd have to check, but pstanz (cel) is easily attainable still.
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