FIRST DECA AND TEST CYCLE

[Double M]

HI,
I am planing for my first cycle..
I have read a lot of FORUMS, magazines, books and i have visited many websites, after all i have decided to go for my first cycle.
Plz let me know if i am wrong some where
MY HEIGHT IS 6"00
AGE 22
WEIGHT 80 KG
I AM NOT LOOKING FOR HUGE GAINS
WEEK .....TEST.............DECA................HCG
1 ...........200 mg.........100 mg
2 ...........200 mg.........100 mg
3 ...........250 mg.........125 mg
4 ...........300 mg.........150 mg
5 ...........350 mg.........200 mg
6 ...........350 mg.........200 mg
7 ...........250 mg.........125 mg
8 ...........200 mg.........100 mg
9 ................................................1500 IU X 2
10 ................................................1500 IU X 2

PLZ CORRECT ME IF HAVE TEST OR DECA PROPOTION WRONG
I INTEND TO KEEP THE DOSAGE LOW AS IS MY FIRST CYCLE
AND POST CYCLE SHOULD I STICK TO HCG ONLY OR SHOULD I TAKE CLOMID ASWELL
,LIV 52 WOULD BE THE LIVER SUPPORT.
ANY SUGGESTIONS

 

[ManBeast]

You have a lot of things wrong...

Firstly at your height and weight, are you sure you can't make gains some other way?

For all the "research" you have done, I have no idea why you'd even ask about if clomid is needed.
The Decca should be stopped a week or two before the test.
Dosages are *too* low, and the cycle is too short.

I suggest more natty training, with the addition of some natural supps that boost and maximize natural test, as well as a nutrient partitioner.

ManBeast

 

[Double M]

which all supplements would you suggest

 

[ManBeast]

Anabeta
EndoSurge
TestForce 2
Erase
Need2Slin

would be an incredible natty stack, not require PCT, and should add some decent lean mass provided your diet and training are in check (they'd have to be in check for the steroids to work as well). You can run it up to 2 months without having to take a break.

 

[Double M]

I dont know man, i dont think these supplements can compare results for a cycle
ok anyways if you wish you can check my pic in my profile and then suggest me some kind of a cycle coz what i believe is I m ready for a cycle
body weight ratio to height differs in every region, my body weight is IDEAL to my height according to GOOGLE.. as I M AN INDIAN
so if you have to suggest me DECA AND TEST cycle what would you suggest (LOW DOSAGE).

 

[ManBeast]

Ideal by google is probably based on BMI which is major junk IMHO, if you fall in the ideal/average range then you are "generally" at a healthy weight for your height. BMI puts people like Evander Hollyfield (in fighting condition) as obese for example...
You don't look small in your picture, but do you honestly feel you've reached your genetic potential, or are incredibly close? My brother is your size, and while he's incredibly lean and defined, he is nowhere near "big." If you are dead set on doing a cycle, you just need to up the doses a bit, tweak the duration, and learn about a proper PCT.

ManBeast

 

[san731]

Big emphasis on proper pct ^

Do not use hcg in pct. only in the weeks leading up to pct. I'd use the 250iu twice a week protocol for the entire cycle.

Regardless though, like man beast said, you have a lot of natural growing possible still and you're doses are way to low/short. Your natural test levels are probably equivalent too or slightly lower than the dose of test you're considering using. Pointless if you ask me.

You still have a lot of homework to do on this.

 

[Double M]

Truly speaking i am not looking for HIGH dosage.. reason being i read online that a low dosage of deca and test will not actually coz much side effects infect if taken as a medicine it would be better for many body organs..
What would be the cycle that you would suggest?
coz i m planning on no going for 200mg deca a week and 300 mg test a week...
with HCG 1500 IU twice a week for 2 weeks
I M JUST TRING TO BE ON SAFER SIDE..

 

[Double M]

Reply to SAN 731


DO you suggest not going for the cycle and just do the supplements ?
coz i m being doing supplements for maybe 2 years now..
you said i sould increase the test level
what cycle dosage would you suggest keeping in mind that a LOW DOSAGE

 

[san731]

DO you suggest not going for the cycle and just do the supplements ?
coz i m being doing supplements for may 2 years now..
you said i sould increase the test level
what cycle dosage would you suggest keeping in mind that a LOW DOSAGE

Personally I'd do 500 a week for 12-14 weeks and drop the deca. You don't need it for a first cycle. And that's if you go against recommendations to postpone and grow naturally some more first. 500 a week is not a high dose.

I'd say your best bet is to invest in a natty stack like manbeast said and research like a mofo in the mean time. You can tell you're ignorant about this and, if i were you, before I jeopardized my health Id make sure all my bases are covered.

 

[san731]

Truly speaking i am not looking for HIGH dosage.. reason being i read online that a low dosage of deca and test will not actually coz much side effects infect if taken as a medicine it would be better for many body organs..
What would be the cycle that you would suggest?
coz i m planning on no going for 200mg deca a week and 300 mg test a week...
with HCG 1500 IU twice a week for 2 weeks
I M JUST TRING TO BE ON SAFER SIDE..

Just the fact that you're implying these are medicines shows your ignorance. While test is often used for natural hormonal replacement therapies and is much safer, deca is used for anti-wasting regimens in cancer patients etc and is generally a last resort. Is that what you call a regular "medicine" that you'd find sitting in your grandmothers cupboard?

Do some more research please.

 

[Double M]

THANKS brother i dont think i'll be taking deca as per your advice coz all over internet every one has refused for deca in first cycle
would it be ok if i take 500 mg of test and 20 mg of dianabol a day for 12 weeks

 

[ManBeast]

dianabol at 20-25 for the first 4 weeks, make sure you have liver support while and for 2-4 weeks after using the dbol.

ManBeast

 

[Double M]

yea thanx thats what i have 4 weeks dbol 20-25
what would be PCT that you would advice

 

[ManBeast]

Any proper PCT has a SERM as a base (nolva/clomid/torem) a mild AI is almost as important (ERASE from PES), DAA has become quite a solid addition as well. The SERM is a Research Chemical while the others are just dietary suppliments. Do some research on the SERMs (most good research will have suggested dosings), and let us know what you end up with.

ManBeast

 

[Double M]

can you let me know what AI and DAA stands for..

 

[ManBeast]

AI is Aromatase Inhibitor. The research grade ones (used to combat on cycle bloat/gyno) are too strong for PCT, so Erase is what i recommend:
http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/pesupplments/erase-90-caps.html

DAA is D-Aspartic Acid:
http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/nutraplanet/d-aspartic-acid-daa-80-grams.html

ManBeast

 

[Double M]

Do you think this PCT would work
Week .............Nolvadex ...............HCG .....................Aromasin ...............Vitamin E
1 ..................20mgs/day .............500iu/day .............20-25mgs/day ........1000iu/day
2 ..................20mgs/day .............500iu/day .............20-25mgs/day ........1000iu/day
3 ..................20mgs/day .............500iu/day .............20-25mgs/day ........1000iu/day
4 ..................20mgs/day ........................................20-25mgs/day
5 ..................20mgs/day ........................................20-25mgs/day
6 ..................20mgs/day

 

[ManBeast]

Not my favorite use of HCG to be honestly, but it is based in credible science. I'd honestly prefer the HCG used throughout the cycle at 250iu 2x a week up until about 5 days before the nolva starts, and I'd run the first two weeks of nolva at 40mg/ed. I'm also not a fan of strong AIs during PCT. But again, I think there is a lot of good science behind that protocall, it just ain't my cup of tea.

ManBeast

 

[Double M]

If you would have been in my place what PCT you would have followed

 

[ManBeast]

I prefer HCG throughout at 250iu 2x a week up until about 5 days before you begin pct. I prefer a mix of nolva/clomid at this point (standard dose nolva 40/20/20/10 and clomid at 50/50/25/25 for a 4 week pct) with a mile OTC AI like Erase thrown in at the start of week 2 and ran 2 weeks past the nolva/clomid tapering down when you finish them (0/3/3/3/2/1). IF you are heavily shutdown from a longer cycle where HCG wasn't used, the one you posted would be a good idea.

ManBeast

 

[Double M]

THANKS
I WOULD DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH BEFORE STARTING THE CYCLE MAY BE I MIGHT GAIN SOME MORE WEIGHT MEAN TIME.
I APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU HAVE GIVE ME INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE OF GREAT HELP.
THANKS AGAIN..

 

[Ricci Gladwel]

Anabeta
EndoSurge
TestForce 2
Erase
Need2Slin

would be an incredible natty stack, not require PCT, and should add some decent lean mass provided your diet and training are in check (they'd have to be in check for the steroids to work as well). You can run it up to 2 months without having to take a break.

Sorry to jump in here. But iv just had a look at these products very quickly and they mostly seem to be test boosters. Could I take all these together?? Also what does a "natty stack" actually mean?

 

[ManBeast]

Anabeta is a natural anabolic on its own.
Endosurge and Testforce 2 are test boosters, but work on different pathways.
Erase is an AI (estrogen control) and cortisol control.
Need2slin is a nutrient repartitioner/glucose disposal agent (shuttles nurtients into muscles).

Yes you can use them all together, and by natty it (generally, and here) refers to no exogenous hormones introduced.

ManBeast

 

[srgentpepper]

3rd cycle

Want to go for my 3rd cycle but I want something more natural this time and this one seems to be what I am lookin for.
Please let me know how long should I take each one:
*Anabeta:
*Endsurge:
*TestForce2
*Erase:
*Nedd2slin:
I'm 26, 5'6, 145lbs. Want to gain 15lbs.
Thanks

Anabeta is a natural anabolic on its own.
Endosurge and Testforce 2 are test boosters, but work on different pathways.
Erase is an AI (estrogen control) and cortisol control.
Need2slin is a nutrient repartitioner/glucose disposal agent (shuttles nurtients into muscles).

Yes you can use them all together, and by natty it (generally, and here) refers to no exogenous hormones introduced.

ManBeast

 

[ManBeast]

Max total time on that stack is limited to 8 weeks.

 

[trenbaby]

Man beast I am new to all this and I have read your post and spoke to others who speak of you and I am turn to you to see what can I do to grow I can get to 145-148 lbs. before my body says that's it no more. My metabolism is on overdrive for as long as I can remember I basically made all the possible feats to move up from 114 lbs. to my max weight 148-149 tilting the scale as it is best described I am really trying to make it to 160-170 lean
Muscles but it just won't work wit just the suppliments. I need to see what's my next steps I pound down weight gainers(1800 cals twice a day) yuk!!! Also my creatine after workouts and the food is non stop. I think I need to jump on a cycle but what and how please give me some honest feedback I am a good listener and I just want to learn right so if you say look this is what you need I will listen and tell you how it goes what do I read and learn what do I take and how. I understand you k ow your stuff I need to be enlightened helpppp!!!! Me beast

 

[ManBeast]

Sure, start your own tread and I'll see what I can do to help.

 

[trenbaby]

I just started the thread so now you can get at me with this

 

[trenbaby]

It's called first time around

 

[DRSTRISMADAST]

Your gonna run nolvadex for pct with deca??? lol, wow, did you start this cycle yet dude? Because you need to make sure you have the proper ancillaries to run during cycle... i hope you get this before you start.... PCT is more important than the cycle itself and tamaxofin citrate should not be anywhere near a 19nor compound unless you want gyno surgery.....
Just my 2 cents...
If you would like more pm me for more information on how to make your recovery go go well and how to keep your sack plump bro..
Johnny

 

[DRSTRISMADAST]

You need to eat bro and forget the steroids.... Im 1 inch taller and have 50+ lbs on you.... Get the picture...

 

[DRSTRISMADAST]

I prefer HCG throughout at 250iu 2x a week up until about 5 days before you begin pct. I prefer a mix of nolva/clomid at this point (standard dose nolva 40/20/20/10 and clomid at 50/50/25/25 for a 4 week pct) with a mile OTC AI like Erase thrown in at the start of week 2 and ran 2 weeks past the nolva/clomid tapering down when you finish them (0/3/3/3/2/1). IF you are heavily shutdown from a longer cycle where HCG wasn't used, the one you posted would be a good idea.

ManBeast

You relize that the deca and tamaxifen are gona fight for the same receptor... This is gonna lead to excess estrogen and prolactin, which in turn will cause gynomastia.... prolly some man boobs.... You need to learn 21 century pct bro... Forget the nolva... Nolvadex is for cancer patients that cant have any estrogen on the receptor... We need estrogen for muscle growth... And regardless, just google "nolvadex pct for deca" and im sure every forum on the web will say the same thing... Dont give advice unless you know what your talking about bro... Your gonna seriously hurt someone.... Theres never a good time for nolva with deca....

 

[ManBeast]

I am not convinced that a 19-nor and tamox are going to cause any issues together after reading this:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?438133-tren-nolva&p=5266966#post5266966

the deca+tamox=gyno is more bro-science than what I'm going by "bro"

 

[Mrpersinality]

OP what do you eat every day?

 

[DRSTRISMADAST]

Why are you not convinced? You can search countless number of threads on this information.. No this is not research done in a controlled environment. Do you really want me to type you a research paper on why you dont use tamaxifen with a 19 nor... Maybe your one of the lucky ones that didnt have problems...

 

[ManBeast]

i honestly think the tamox wasn't to blame, i think it was things like not having caber/parami and using it appropriately while using a 19-nor....

 

[DRSTRISMADAST]

Dont let the number of posts fool you bro, youll find out within the month im more knowledable than most...

 

[DRSTRISMADAST]

Why would you want to use tamaxifen tho? Its gonna lead to excess estrogen and prolactin... I dont get those sides when running 19 nors, so i just run an AI if needed and run an AI, Forma Stanazol, HCG, Post Cycle, Unleashed, and DAA.... So your saying use the tamaxifen knowing its gonna lead to gyno, but then use letro, or caber to take care of the excess? I dont wanna use a drug to combat another drug.... When i can just run it right the first way.

 

[ManBeast]

I honestly prefer torem and clomid, but if the dude only has nolva, wtf am I supposed to do? buy him sh*t? no thanks. I made that post *early* back into the game after a long hiatus, when I left the only options were nolva and clomid, I knew nothing about torem, and I'm not a fan of high-dosed solo clomid... I also believe in the studies of the link I posted, and that the gyno those people experienced would have happened with just clomid or torem as well. It has been my experience that most people who get gyno often leave out crucial parts of what they were doing to cause them to get it...

 

[DRSTRISMADAST]

Thats a very good point... I believe alot of people get the gyno from the test itself considering that it aromatizes... I jsut had a patient that came in to my docs office who was on trt... he was perscribed 204 mg per ml of cyp. And after his bloods came back, we found that his estrodiol and progesterone were rasing rapidly with one another.. So he was perscribed .25cc E4D to make around 102 ml E8D... A low dose..

He came in with gyno symptoms, bitch tits, etc, said he had been taken proviron. Provi is DHT and shouldnt aromatise but he says that he gets the symptoms every time he starts to use it, this was the 3rd time... I asked him If he was raising his test dose, and he said yes... So i asked him if he ever ran the higher test without using something else that converts, so basically he has ever ran a solo high test dose. Come to find out it was the test.... Even tho mean have test, when you raise your test levels, your raising your estrogen levels as well.. some people forget that you can get gyno froma test only cycle....

 

[kevin2590]

Hi guys, I am 34 and just stared my first cycle 3 weeks ago. I take 250 deca and 250 testogel every week for 10 weeks. I just stared feeling the sensitiveness in my nipples and my right side kind of felt sore today so it freaked me out a little bit. I have nolva in hand and just ordered liquidex and letro, they should be here in couple of days. My question is am i taking the right dose of deca and test? Is it normal to feel sensitive in the early stage of cycle? If it is the initiation of gyno, which route to take? Is it ok to take nolva during cycle or just take A.i or letro during and keep the nolva for pct? Am i too late for A.i or letro? I guess i m prone to gyno Please help!!!...Thanks...

 

[Mrpersinality]

Hi guys, I am 34 and just stared my first cycle 3 weeks ago. I take 250 deca and 250 testogel every week for 10 weeks. I just stared feeling the sensitiveness in my nipples and my right side kind of felt sore today so it freaked me out a little bit. I have nolva in hand and just ordered liquidex and letro, they should be here in couple of days. My question is am i taking the right dose of deca and test? Is it normal to feel sensitive in the early stage of cycle? If it is the initiation of gyno, which route to take? Is it ok to take nolva during cycle or just take A.i or letro during and keep the nolva for pct? Am i too late for A.i or letro? I guess i m prone to gyno Please help!!!...Thanks...

You should start a thread about this bro

 

[ck Black]

Good info on the last page here thanxx