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    Going to run first espitane cycle. How does it look?


    Im gonna start my first espitane cycle sometime next month. Here's what I have planned:

    Weeks 1-5: Espitane 30/30/30/40/40
    On cycle: Liv.52, milk thistle

    PCT, weeks 6-9: Clomid 50/50/25/25
    Also will be taking regular supps (creatine, BCAA's, protein)

    How does that look? Anything I should add in? I was told CS and a cortisol blocker were not really necessary for such a mild PH.

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    3 grams of DAA a day during pct will help you get your test production up quicker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    3 grams of DAA a day during pct will help you get your test production up quicker.
    Thanks, i'll look into that!
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    Just out of curiosity, what are your stats? Age/height/weight
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    I would get something for cortisol. Keeping your cortisol low helps u keep fat off which is harder to do once your in your pct, especially since your gonna have to keep your food intake up, and cortisol can rob u of your gains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    Just out of curiosity, what are your stats? Age/height/weight
    21, 5'10", 170lbs

    Also to the other poster, what can you recommend for cortisol?
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    Lean xtreme is my favorite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Lean xtreme is my favorite.

    Thanks man, ill incorporate that into my cycle as well. I would use it during PCT, correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankieV

    Thanks man, ill incorporate that into my cycle as well. I would use it during PCT, correct?
    Yep. Some type of anti-estrogen wouldn't hurt either, like Erase which is a great OTC AI, of course u run this during your pct too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Yep. Some type of anti-estrogen wouldn't hurt either, like Erase which is a great OTC AI, of course u run this during your pct too.
    Espitane already has an AI effect so running an AI alongside is not really necessary. During PCT though, it couldn't hurt.
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    along with the DAA id also get a bottle of erase to start taking the 3rd week of pct and also id extend the cycle to 6 weeks if i were you :P
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    Hawthorne berry on cycle is bad I heard because it exposes the liver. Don't quote me on that but id look into it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecowkingi
    Hawthorne berry on cycle is bad I heard because it exposes the liver. Don't quote me on that but id look into it .
    Explain exposes the liver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecowkingi View Post
    Hawthorne berry on cycle is bad I heard because it exposes the liver. Don't quote me on that but id look into it .
    Source? Also, I don't think hawthorne berry is in Liv.52. Correct me if it is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankieV

    Espitane already has an AI effect so running an AI alongside is not really necessary. During PCT though, it couldn't hurt.
    Yeah I mean during your pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masciaman View Post
    along with the DAA id also get a bottle of erase to start taking the 3rd week of pct and also id extend the cycle to 6 weeks if i were you :P
    Ok, so that means I would do 30/30/30/40/40.
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    If I were to use Erase, I would not need DAA and a cortisol blocker, correct?
    Erase already boosts test and lowers cortisol while lowering estrogen.

    That leaves me with just needing liver support, clomid, and Erase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post
    the people selling it make this claim. i tried epi and i feel the only anti-estrogen effect is the same as any other androgenic compound. i dont believe it has an anti aromatase effect.
    Of course everyone will react differently, but it is used to fight gyno.
    What were your results with it? Also, how does epistane compare to Havoc? I know they are technically the same thing, but people report different results.
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    Erase works by a different pathway to boost natty test (as does Erase Pro) adding in DAA is a very solid addition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post
    androgens will treat gyno but not by affecting aromatase. i think it blocks the receptor or something. i aint studied this stuff in years. andractim is dht cream to treat gyno.
    i've heard some complaints abot havoc being weaker but i have not tried it. i took ep-stane 30/45/45/45/45/45. i gained 20lbs and strength went up on all lifts. of course i lost about all of it afterwards. it was mostly water. oral only cycles dont give me very permanent gains. however i have done alot of cycles and i'm 5'9 205lbs and have small bones so i have trouble holding any more size unless i stay on all the time. i also didn't eat good during pct. i took too much nolva and it killed my appetite.
    the only sides i got was slight irritabilty and back pumps. i give it a 4 out of 5. running it with some test would have been great, but test makes everything better.
    You sure that's the same product? Epistane should not make you retain water, it should give you dry gains...

    By the way, thanks to everyone that replied, here's my revised cycle:

    Epistane (or Havoc)
    Week 1-3: 30mg
    Week 4-6: 40mg

    Liv.52 and milk thistle while on cycle

    PCT Week 7-10:
    Clomid: 50/50/25/25
    3g DAA ED
    50mg Erase ED
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankieV
    If I were to use Erase, I would not need DAA and a cortisol blocker, correct?
    Erase already boosts test and lowers cortisol while lowering estrogen.

    That leaves me with just needing liver support, clomid, and Erase.
    No you should still use DAA in your PCT
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankieV View Post
    Im gonna start my first espitane cycle sometime next month. Here's what I have planned:

    Weeks 1-5: Espitane 30/30/30/40/40
    On cycle: Liv.52, milk thistle

    PCT, weeks 6-9: Clomid 50/50/25/25
    Also will be taking regular supps (creatine, BCAA's, protein)

    How does that look? Anything I should add in? I was told CS and a cortisol blocker were not really necessary for such a mild PH.
    cortisol blocker ? why on earth woudl you need that with any steroid, if anythign its gonna help .
    anyway I would strongly rec adding a test base if not shots i rec Transaderm or M1D for 8 weeks with epi the first 5 or 6 weeks maybe.
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    you woudl probibly be just fine with live52 i dont think you need extra, maybe save it or use it after you finish the liv52
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickmort View Post
    No you should still use DAA in your PCT
    a small amount but using DAA can acually shut you down though . so i would not use too much and stop it afer 3-4 weeks.
    acually from what I have learned about it I would not rec it in pct i would rec it during cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blergs

    cortisol blocker ? why on earth woudl you need that with any steroid, if anythign its gonna help .
    anyway I would strongly rec adding a test base if not shots i rec Transaderm or M1D for 8 weeks with epi the first 5 or 6 weeks maybe.
    In pct a persons cortisol often tends to begin to rise. Especially about 2 wks in.
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    Yes, that is correct, hence why I would need a cortisol blocker.
    Another question I had was, whether or not I keep my gains, will this cycle affect my ability to get gains naturally? As in, after the cycle, will I still be able to get gains at the same rate I would if I hadn't cycled? I am still young, so I don't want to screw myself over and make PH's/AAS a necessity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankieV View Post
    Source? Also, I don't think hawthorne berry is in Liv.52. Correct me if it is...
    It was advice I got from a rep at a website that sells epi.

    "I do not recommend taking milk thistle while on your cycle. Milk thistle exposes the liver as it cleanses it. From what I have read, this can allow anything that is toxic become more harmful to your body. I would always recommend taking the PCT and milk thistle once you complete your cycle (s)."
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    Its been generally suggested to space them out for various reasons, and anecdotal evidence seems to support better gains when the hormone is ingested at a different time than the liver support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RH2012
    i want to say this about milk thistle. i have tried this 3 times to make sure it aint in my head. when i take milk thistle extract every day, after a couple of weeks i start loosin muscle and strength. it seems to lower libido also. i am not takin any other supplements with it. i noticed this effect before i ever even heard that it might affect anabolism.
    That's very interesting.
  

  
 

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