what other ph/ps's would be desirable/undesirable with the m4ohn? i may use a transderm along side? tia dudes
I'd like to hear results. I'm thinking of a similar cycle.Tomorrow I start a M4ohn/1,4 AD stack for 8 weeks. My reason, I'm looking for lean gains and minimal sides.
I whole-heartedly disagree with this statement, but what do I know :blink: ? If you stack M4OHN with lots and lots of 4AD (like I'm doing now), you might wanna use something to control estrogen (like an AI or some form of DHT), as M4OHN will add to the 4AD bloat, IMO. But with the addition of one of them, that stack is the **** :thumbsup:! Also 1-test trans or cyp will only make things better, 4OHT is also a great addition as it will help control estrogen as well.yeah, you guys bettter find something to stack with M4OHN cuz M4OHN as a standalone won't do ****! And that way when you do get some gains from your stack, you can waste more money by buying more M4OHN.
This sounds really interesting. Keep us updatedMy next cycle I'm gonna use 1-test/4oht dermal and m4ohn at 30mg a day. I think this will make a killer cycle, for good lean gains. Just my theory though.
Might be safer to use the nonmethylated version of the 1,4, or there is an esterified version of the ohn available without the methyl as well.I'll have to try the m1,4ad with m4ohn. This has had a few recommendations.
hey soldier, wanna battle? As much as i wanted to believe in M4OHN, my 2 real life feedbacks on M4OHN tells me it's crap. how many people do you know using M4OHN as a standalone have any lean gains or effective cut? hardly any. anyone with any results from M4OHN either stacked and/or changed up their diets or w/o routine. look at some crap results from am members like deoudes(catabolic cycle, i had the same effect) and juiceman(sorry we bagged you so badly, you were right).I whole-heartedly disagree with this statement, but what do I know :blink: ?.
Well, I didnt change anything in my workout program or diet. I can say I'm having some results from m4ohn. They arent huge, but i was not expecting that from a MILD compound like it is.anyone with any results from M4OHN either stacked and/or changed up their diets or w/o routine.
I'm sure of it, but also more sides.give it up, you'll get 10X better results on a 1T/4-AD trans than with M4OHN. :hammer:
Kiss your nuts goodbye.:drunk:How does this sound...
week 1-4 300mg transdremal 4ad
week1-4 100mg oht
week 2-4 15 mg m1t, split doses 8 hours apart\
week1-4 16mg m0hn
week5-8 40 mg mohn
I wanted to do a 8 week mohn cycle, but now I'm thinking working the m1t in there would yield much better results.
Throw out the m1t, and go with a 1-test transdermal for 6 weeks. I would also bump the 4-ad/oht to 6 weeks, run the m4ohn all the way through, and finish out with the last couple of weeks on just the m4ohn.How does this sound...
week 1-4 300mg transdremal 4ad
week1-4 100mg oht
week 2-4 15 mg m1t, split doses 8 hours apart\
week1-4 16mg m0hn
week5-8 40 mg mohn
I wanted to do a 8 week mohn cycle, but now I'm thinking working the m1t in there would yield much better results.
Sounds like a CSM yelling at me for not wearing my beret while walking to my car. :icon_lol:hey soldier,
I'm also going on real life feedback. 2 separate times I've used M4OHN. Coincidently I've made the most strength gains while on it, and also I've had more people come up to me and ask me "What are you on?" or "Have you been working out?" while on M4OHN. I do beleive it might not work for some. Hell, some people claim that M1T does nothing for them, which I don't beleive for a second, but they'll scream it till they're blue in the face. There's also overwhelming positive feedback for M4OHN, from bros like me (and I've used everything legal under the sun), Bioman, DR. D (who I beleive said got better results than with Anavar mg/mg in another thread).wanna battle? As much as i wanted to believe in M4OHN, my 2 real life feedbacks on M4OHN tells me it's crap. how many people do you know using M4OHN as a standalone have any lean gains or effective cut? hardly any. anyone with any results from M4OHN either stacked and/or changed up their diets or w/o routine. look at some crap results from am members like deoudes(catabolic cycle, i had the same effect) and juiceman(sorry we bagged you so badly, you were right).
Stop lying to people already. i luv custom, sldge, methyls, but i'm not going to hype crap anymore. M4OHN has bad feedbacks at bb.com , bullk and AL. It's only here that you guys are holding on to it like MD. give it up, you'll get 10X better results on a 1T/4-AD trans than with M4OHN. :hammer:
I would start the cycle with the m1t, that way you might be able to keep that gains better, imo. Looks good though.Ok, I've come up with another option, since I want this to be a lean bulking stack.
Here it is.
week1-6 m4ohn 40mg ed 8mg 5 times a day
week7-9 m4ohn 16mg ed 4mg 4times a day
week 7-9 m1t 15mg ed
week 10 60mg nolva
week 11 40mg nolva
week 12 20mg nolva.
This seems much easier, cos I don't really want water retention, since this will be in the summer holiday.
I'll be taking all the anxiliries like milk thistle etc often.
Sounds like a CSM yelling at me for not wearing my beret while walking to my car. :icon_lol:
Lol I remember that sh*t in the Marines, made me laugh everytime.
try walking to the chow hall with dirty boots and no cover around a DS...anyways to stack with M4ohn, im loving the m14ad, barely any sides, great gains, up 15lbs in 3.5 weeeks, i dont notice the body comp changes, but i have had people asking. i wouldnt do this stack too often due to two methyls, but with these kind of gains, i probably wont have to, from what i understand the m4ohn is just barely starting to kick in.Sounds like a CSM yelling at me for not wearing my beret while walking to my car. :icon_lol:
Lol I remember that sh*t in the Marines, made me laugh everytime.
Here is a stack that I just ran for 8 weeks, gained 6 lbs of "VERY LEAN" muscle without any bloat and seemed to burn fat a little more that normal during this cycle. NOTE: This cycle was an experimental one with some products that I had never used before. I have other 1-t cyps' at 100mg/ml on hand (oil based), but I wanted to run a cycle of the water based 1&4 Test to check the results which were decent:what other ph/ps's would be desirable/undesirable with the m4ohn? i may use a transderm along side? tia dudes
I started 300mg a day b/c I was doing 3cc 2x per day at 50mg/ml. I liked it pretty well. I did previous cycles where I front loaded M-1T which I felt was better on strength gains, but the M-4ad was a decent size builder but some of it was bloat. At the end of the first 2 weeks with the 1&4 Test accompanied by the M-4ad I was swollen to the max. Things started to even out (bloat gone away) after the m-4ad was over and looking good. I had no real problems with the m-4ad (blood pressure got out of control a couple times 140 over 100) and I really do not care for it too much in comparison to other products. One thing I noticed for myself (and I am well aware that this may not happen for most others if not anyone), but I experienced some real crazy pumps. I could go into the gym and when my workout was over I did not look like the same person that entered. That was a great feeling and the pumps lasted 3-4 hrs after I left the gym. I did not have to pump up later to go out. So all in all this cycle was very decent and the combination seemed to work well.What did you front-load the M4AD at, dosage wise? 250mg a day? Did you like it?
It's funny how the few people that don't like M4OHN insist that the overwhelming majority of us who love the stuff are either A) Lying to others to sell something that's ****; or B) Lying to ourselves and seeing "placebo" gains in strength, body composition, vascularity, and positive effects on mood and sense of well being, all for weeks at a time.I have no reason to lie, I have to pay for Sledge's stuff just like everybody else. If you don't believe me I simply don't care..more m4ohn for me!