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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid
    I just used milk thistle and hawthorn berry 2 grams each per day split up into two doses between hdrol doses... It worked fine for me lol but if I ran a stronger methyl I would have used one of the combo products out there.
    True, were talking about hdrol here not sd

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    So all I should do is pick up some milk thistle and hawthorn berry and take 1mg each in-between doses of helladrol and 1 mg each before bed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91 View Post
    I think that's what I'm gonna go with plus you get 4 times more should I take a week before starting and do I divide it up through the day or just take all at once
    basically I made it so I would be taking h drol twice per day and support products twice per day as well... so this is what I did:

    With breakfast took dose of hdrol (1 pill for the first week 2 pills for every week after that) and with fish oil

    Few hrs later took 1 g milk thistle and 1 g hawthorn berry with a meal.

    Few hrs after this (so prob 5 - 8 hrs after breakfast) had a meal and took second dose of h drol (either 1 or 2 pill..depends if you go up to 100 mg) also with fish oil


    Later in the day with another meal took the last dose of 1 g milk thistle and 1 g hawthorn berry.


    If you use one of the support products just take those at the times that I took mine. They say try to time your hdrol and support product doses 3 - 4 hrs apart so you maximize your hdrol dose.
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    Alright sounds easy enough what did you do for your pct?
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    Yeah i think what ive done in the past is something similar where i was taking something every 4 hrs, hdrol spread out every 6-8 of coarse, the rest was just supports.
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    Yeah they said hdrol is a 8 hour life right?
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    pct really depends on your preference. I did nolva 20/20/10/10 with activate xtreme, erase, and DAA. I would have used anabeta also in retrospect o well Ill do that for next pct prob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91 View Post
    Yeah they said hdrol is a 8 hour life right?
    actually around 16 hours
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    Is cel pct assist, DAA, and nolva sound good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91 View Post
    Is cel pct assist, DAA, and nolva sound good?
    yeah that sounds good. I would prob buy an AI like erase to taper off after you stop using nolva to prevent estro rebound..it also helps control cortisol so has two purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91 View Post
    Yeah they said hdrol is a 8 hour life right?
    I think its a little higher. I remember it being a longer half life PH. Not like SD and Epi.


    All good info here. And the milk thistle and stuff will keep you good. I just dont take it during my cycle because it has anti androgenic properties.
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    What if I just did cel assist, cel pct, and a DAA if I feel no need for the nolva and I might as well stick with cel cycle assist because it will all end up costing the same anyways
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91
    What if I just did cel assist, cel pct, and a DAA if I feel no need for the nolva and I might as well stick with cel cycle assist because it will all end up costing the same anyways
    If you go with that id at least make sure to have some nolva on hand just in case, even if you dont use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91 View Post
    What if I just did cel assist, cel pct, and a DAA if I feel no need for the nolva and I might as well stick with cel cycle assist because it will all end up costing the same anyways
    Its your body in the end. If you really want to just run those then go ahead. But if you get gyno and cant get your natty test back don't say we didn't warn ya

    I had a friend who'd do Mdrol cycles with no PCT. He's fine (I think). But then again there are horror stories. I would keep everything on hand. It seems you are reluctant to use an extensive PCT, so just keep it on hand, if you don't use it then you can use it later on. At least you will HAVE it in case something goes wrong.
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    Haha you have a point my lifting partner said he has some from his cycle I know this sounds dumb but since I never experienced it yet how will I know if I need the nolva?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91 View Post
    Haha you have a point my lifting partner said he has some from his cycle I know this sounds dumb but since I never experienced it yet how will I know if I need the nolva?
    youll feel a tender ball under your nipple... might start off as itchy nipples but itchy nipples doesnt really mean much..watch out for actual lumps and tenderness
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    Thanks for the heads up ha and where can I get a good erase
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    Why chance it, just have it on you anyway. Its not worth the risk, this is your first ph so you dont know how you will react.
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    Yeah true like I said my lifting partner said he"ll give me his from his cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91
    Haha you have a point my lifting partner said he has some from his cycle I know this sounds dumb but since I never experienced it yet how will I know if I need the nolva?
    Its really hard to tell for sure. But when you get it better have the serm and an AI on hand or surgery is the only option in some cases... I hear its pricey...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91
    Yeah true like I said my lifting partner said he"ll give me his from his cycle
    Cool, well there you go.
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    yeah i'll deffinately have it on hand no doubt i just need to find where to get erase
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    you can get erase anywhere really just do a google search PES erase.
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    alright i'll look into that thank you
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    yeah it is an OTC AI there will be no issues acquiring it lol
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    And when im on PCT when do i take my DAA?
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    it doesnt really matter. I take mine with my preworkout powder just to cover the taste. You can take it with breakfast if you want. It more matters that you ger the DAA in your body every day IMO
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    ok this is my cycle

    Cycle Assist 4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4
    Helladrol-0/50/75/75/75/75/100
    Fishoil
    Multi Vit
    Protein
    Creatine
    Carb Before And After workout

    PCT.
    CEL PCt
    Nolva 20/20/10/10 if needed
    DAA Before Workout
    And Erase If I take the nolva
    i will be working out 5 days a week and taking in 3000+ calories and 200+ grams of protein

    now that this is all figured out does this look good or am i missing anything important?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91
    ok this is my cycle

    Cycle Assist 4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4
    Helladrol-0/50/75/75/75/75/100
    Fishoil
    Multi Vit
    Protein
    Creatine
    Carb Before And After workout

    PCT.
    CEL PCt
    Nolva 20/20/10/10 if needed
    DAA Before Workout
    And Erase If I take the nolva
    i will be working out 5 days a week and taking in 3000+ calories and 200+ grams of protein

    now that this is all figured out does this look good or am i missing anything important?
    Looks pretty soild man. Only thing i would say, especially if your a hardgainer, up the cals.
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    im gonna try to up them to 5000 by adding a meal and a snack
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    id buy some bulk taurine for the back pumps youll prob start getting around week 2 or 3
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    Im gonna head to *** tomorrow so i'll try to pick some of it up
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    And when do you take that and what's the dosage
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91
    ok this is my cycle

    Cycle Assist 4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4
    Helladrol-0/50/75/75/75/75/100
    Fishoil
    Multi Vit
    Protein
    Creatine
    Carb Before And After workout

    PCT.
    CEL PCt
    Nolva 20/20/10/10 if needed
    DAA Before Workout
    And Erase If I take the nolva
    i will be working out 5 days a week and taking in 3000+ calories and 200+ grams of protein

    now that this is all figured out does this look good or am i missing anything important?
    Looks good but I would take Erase regardless if u take the Nolva or not.
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    I'm on my third week right now with hdrol. If I was you I would go right into 75mg a day starting the first week. I did 75mg my first two weeks, now I'm at 100mg week 3-5 and I'll jump it up to 125 week 6. Good luck on you cycle! In order for it to work good you gotta eat man.
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    The only reason I'm starting at 50 is because it's my first time and I don't know how my bodies going to react
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    Save the creatine for PCT.
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    Why do you say to save it for pct? Why not during cycle and pct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91
    Why do you say to save it for pct? Why not during cycle and pct?
    Don't save it for PCT. Creatine should be used on cycle, off cycle, and in between cycles.....in other words DON'T COME OFF OF IT!!

    Creatine is much more effective on cycle IMO
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    I guess it's a damn near 50/50 split as far as saving your creatine for pct. I knew I read it some where it's suppose to help keep gains after a cycle. But all in all it looks like personal preference after some more diggin.
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