Helladrol First Cycle Ever Please Help...

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  1. Pretty sure this has already been said...not trying to be a dick... but if you eat more you will gain weight...its simply energy in - energy out. I know what you are saying it is very hard for you to gain a single lb more because you prob dont want to eat anymore or see that you are gaining a small amount of fat so you get scared and back off. If you increase your cals by 500 or more calories (this has to be done every day consistently) you will gain weight...but the cycle looks fine with what everyone has already said. good luck.


  2. i already eat enough and i wouldnt care if i got some fat its winter time no need for abs right now i eat everything i can until i feel like im gonna throw up my metabolism is just to fast
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  3. I understand I really do.. I have thrown up many times trying to force food into my body lol. It isnt easy but there are tricks to get more calories in like drinking more shakes or using more oils and fats on foods.

  4. yeah ive been trying but im gonna try this once and see how my gains are with it

  5. yeah go for it I had my first cycle last year with hdrol youre going to love it
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    I understand I really do.. I have thrown up many times trying to force food into my body lol. It isnt easy but there are tricks to get more calories in like drinking more shakes or using more oils and fats on foods.
    My friend has such a fast metabolism he just eats everything he can....
    He gets around 4.5k cals on off days and 5.5k cal on workout days. Those are not counting cheat days.
    He only weight 190 right now... bulking from his last cut to 170. Been 3months eating like that and hes up 20lbs
    RecoverBro ELITE

  7. I just don't know whether to take tudca or cel cycle assist during cycle

  8. Id go cycle assist but thats my preference. Everyone has ones they prefer over others.

  9. I just used milk thistle and hawthorn berry 2 grams each per day split up into two doses between hdrol doses... It worked fine for me lol but if I ran a stronger methyl I would have used one of the combo products out there.

  10. I think that's what I'm gonna go with plus you get 4 times more should I take a week before starting and do I divide it up through the day or just take all at once

  11. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid
    I just used milk thistle and hawthorn berry 2 grams each per day split up into two doses between hdrol doses... It worked fine for me lol but if I ran a stronger methyl I would have used one of the combo products out there.
    True, were talking about hdrol here not sd

  12. So all I should do is pick up some milk thistle and hawthorn berry and take 1mg each in-between doses of helladrol and 1 mg each before bed?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91 View Post
    I think that's what I'm gonna go with plus you get 4 times more should I take a week before starting and do I divide it up through the day or just take all at once
    basically I made it so I would be taking h drol twice per day and support products twice per day as well... so this is what I did:

    With breakfast took dose of hdrol (1 pill for the first week 2 pills for every week after that) and with fish oil

    Few hrs later took 1 g milk thistle and 1 g hawthorn berry with a meal.

    Few hrs after this (so prob 5 - 8 hrs after breakfast) had a meal and took second dose of h drol (either 1 or 2 pill..depends if you go up to 100 mg) also with fish oil


    Later in the day with another meal took the last dose of 1 g milk thistle and 1 g hawthorn berry.


    If you use one of the support products just take those at the times that I took mine. They say try to time your hdrol and support product doses 3 - 4 hrs apart so you maximize your hdrol dose.

  14. Alright sounds easy enough what did you do for your pct?

  15. Yeah i think what ive done in the past is something similar where i was taking something every 4 hrs, hdrol spread out every 6-8 of coarse, the rest was just supports.

  16. Yeah they said hdrol is a 8 hour life right?

  17. pct really depends on your preference. I did nolva 20/20/10/10 with activate xtreme, erase, and DAA. I would have used anabeta also in retrospect o well Ill do that for next pct prob.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91 View Post
    Yeah they said hdrol is a 8 hour life right?
    actually around 16 hours

  19. Is cel pct assist, DAA, and nolva sound good?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91 View Post
    Is cel pct assist, DAA, and nolva sound good?
    yeah that sounds good. I would prob buy an AI like erase to taper off after you stop using nolva to prevent estro rebound..it also helps control cortisol so has two purposes.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91 View Post
    Yeah they said hdrol is a 8 hour life right?
    I think its a little higher. I remember it being a longer half life PH. Not like SD and Epi.


    All good info here. And the milk thistle and stuff will keep you good. I just dont take it during my cycle because it has anti androgenic properties.
    RecoverBro ELITE

  22. What if I just did cel assist, cel pct, and a DAA if I feel no need for the nolva and I might as well stick with cel cycle assist because it will all end up costing the same anyways

  23. Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91
    What if I just did cel assist, cel pct, and a DAA if I feel no need for the nolva and I might as well stick with cel cycle assist because it will all end up costing the same anyways
    If you go with that id at least make sure to have some nolva on hand just in case, even if you dont use it.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91 View Post
    What if I just did cel assist, cel pct, and a DAA if I feel no need for the nolva and I might as well stick with cel cycle assist because it will all end up costing the same anyways
    Its your body in the end. If you really want to just run those then go ahead. But if you get gyno and cant get your natty test back don't say we didn't warn ya

    I had a friend who'd do Mdrol cycles with no PCT. He's fine (I think). But then again there are horror stories. I would keep everything on hand. It seems you are reluctant to use an extensive PCT, so just keep it on hand, if you don't use it then you can use it later on. At least you will HAVE it in case something goes wrong.
    RecoverBro ELITE

  25. Haha you have a point my lifting partner said he has some from his cycle I know this sounds dumb but since I never experienced it yet how will I know if I need the nolva?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91 View Post
    Haha you have a point my lifting partner said he has some from his cycle I know this sounds dumb but since I never experienced it yet how will I know if I need the nolva?
    youll feel a tender ball under your nipple... might start off as itchy nipples but itchy nipples doesnt really mean much..watch out for actual lumps and tenderness

  27. Thanks for the heads up ha and where can I get a good erase

  28. Why chance it, just have it on you anyway. Its not worth the risk, this is your first ph so you dont know how you will react.

  29. Yeah true like I said my lifting partner said he"ll give me his from his cycle

  30. Quote Originally Posted by DeChicchis91
    Haha you have a point my lifting partner said he has some from his cycle I know this sounds dumb but since I never experienced it yet how will I know if I need the nolva?
    Its really hard to tell for sure. But when you get it better have the serm and an AI on hand or surgery is the only option in some cases... I hear its pricey...
    RecoverBro ELITE
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