Friend needs advice on beginner cycle
- 09-08-2004, 01:57 PM
- 09-08-2004, 02:28 PM
friend huh? 2 weeks winstrol is not long enough. 2 orals is a lot of stress on liver, make sure your "friend" takes the necessary liver protectants.
09-08-2004, 03:02 PM
09-08-2004, 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by R0cKSoLiD
Absolutely horrible cycle. Dbol only is not a good cycle to begin with. Most gains from dbol are via water retention. Winstrol at 10mg daily is the dose typical for a female and 2 weeks is far to short a period of time.
09-08-2004, 04:21 PM
09-08-2004, 04:59 PM
Okay, many people have used 2 orals in the same cycle (including myself...along with long acting esthers as well) and have experienced no side effects whatsoever as long as the oral part of the cycle was kept short. I don't see terrible danger from running winny and dbol as long as r-ala and tyler's liver detox is used and of course....no drinking whatsoever, no acetaminophen, etc. AND our friend here mentioned that the d-bol cycle will be FOLLOWED by the short 2 week cycle of winny. (the 2 week cycle is useless and will really do nothing b/c it's so short) But anyway, as it states, they will NOT be run together, so what's the extreme danger of running the d-bol first and the winny later. He is asking about a 6 week oral cycle....nothing extreme about that although, again, the two weeks of winny is not long enough. He should overlap the last week of d-bol with the 1st week of winny and run winny for 3 more weeks after that. Keep your eye on your liver values (run tests if possible) and take all the necessary precautions as I mentioned above. That will help keep most of your gains from d-bol. A lot of people will say an oral only cycle sucks (and I would probably not do it either) but you will keep some nice gains if you do it right. People who say you won't don't know what the **** they're talking about. good luck.
09-08-2004, 07:23 PM
Nice to see we have a damn genius in our fold now Please explain how in the hell that you can manage to keep the gains from an all oral cycle? Inquiring minds want to know
As for not knowing what they **** that size is talking about, he seems to me that he has proven himself on this site.. you on the other had have just a ton of posts
Originally Posted by fugetaboutit
09-09-2004, 04:34 PM
"As for not knowing what they **** that size is talking about, he seems to me that he has proven himself on this site.. you on the other had have just a ton of posts "
Thank you for sticking up for Size but if you can just put your flame thrower down for a second and actually read my post and re-read it again you will see that this "damn genious" never insulted size or anybody else . Infact, I agreed that I would probably never do an oral only cycle either and I agree with size that a D-BOL only cycle followed by 10mg a day winstrol for 2 weeks sucks ass! In my post I never said size doesn't know what the **** he's talking about.....never even mentioned his name. I never said you would keep some nice gains from a d-bol only cycle either. I said from an ORAL cycle(which may include anavar, primo tabs,winny tabs, or liquid for that matter) you will keep SOME (again keyword here is SOME) nice gains if you do it right. Size is specifically talking about the d-bol only followed by 2 weeks of winny at 10mg a day. Yeah! That cycle sucks. It's barely a cycle. Who will get anything out of 10mg a day of winny except maybe women, as he mentions. Now when I said don't listen to anybody who says you will get no gains whatsoever from an oral only cycle I stand behind those EXACT words. Size was talking about d-bol only, I'm not. I'm talking about the EXACT wording of my statement. An oral cycle only may include 6-8 weeks of 50mg/ED of winny. You're telling me that no one will gain lean muscle mass from such a cycle??? BULL****. An oral only cycle may include 8-10 weeks of anavar at 40mg/ed along with clen to lean up, maintain muscle mass, and probably throw on a couple more pounds of quality muscle. You're telling me that such a cycle wouldn't work either????BULL****. My point is that people like yourself are so quick to point out that you can make no gains from an oral only cycle when that is not true....no gains?? I was talking about people that just echo other people that make statements like this one below.
"Please explain how in the hell that you can manage to keep the gains from an all oral cycle? Inquiring minds want to know"
That's my point. You're using the term "oral cycle" (which as I mentioned above may include other steroids OTHER THAN d-bol)as if it were only d-bol. GRANTED that they may not be huge gains, they may not be massive gains, but you CAN make gains off an oral only cycle. It's posted all the time on many threads all over all kinds of discussion boards by all kinds of bb'ers that agree with that fundamental statement. You will keep SOME gains from an oral only cycle if you do it right and follow it with proper PCT. AGAIN, a d-bol only cycle doesn't fit into this b/c this PARTICULAR oral will not leave you with most of your gains if done by itself. HOWEVER, on the d-bol only cycle, you can still keep a little bit of gain, do you know why??? I don't think you do, otherwise you wouldn't be flamming me. D-bol is extremely beneficial in helping with protein synthesis therefore allowing you to use more protein to build quality muscle other than just making you bloated from water retention. There is hypertrophy happening on d-bol. It's not just a bloat pill. So you're refference to orals not giving a person ANY gains at all is incorrect and your flaming of me is uncalled for. My statement IS correct for the exact words that I wrote. Also, I may not have many posts on this board, but that doesn't mean I just picked up my first dumbell yesterday. I have hundreds of posts elsewhere and was looking to help and be helped on this board as well. Very inviting are your kind words and innability to read my post correctly.
09-09-2004, 04:51 PM
Here is an excellent first cycle
1-4 25-50mg dbol ed depending on how comfy with it you are
1-8/10 500mg test enanthate 250mg twice weekly injects
last 6 weeks throw in 50mg of winny ed but winny is not really needed
09-09-2004, 07:14 PM
I agree with fugetaboutit, just because they're oral steroids doesn't mean you can't keep gains(maybe not all of your gains, but you can keep most if cycle is followed by proper pct), they're still steroids, and you can get gains whether they're oral or injectable, it doesn't matter.
09-09-2004, 07:30 PM
09-09-2004, 07:53 PM
I dont see how you would lose all of your gains from an oral only steroid cycle, if PCT was done correctly. Given, you will lose the water weight, which with dbol could be alot, but you should be able to keep most of the muscle that you gained from the increased protein synthesis that the dbol provided. I am not arguing that anyone should do oral only cycles or that they are just as good as an injectable cycle, because there is no way that it compares, but all I am stating is that I believe it is possible to keep most of the MUSCLE gains, not the water weight that will be lost at the completion of the cycle. Because if you did lose absolutely everything that you gained from a dbol only cycle, would this mean that a cycle of 1ad is better than dbol? I think not. Again, not trying to start an argument, just stating what I think on the oral only subject.
09-09-2004, 10:21 PM
Of course one can make some type of gains with an oral cycle. D-bol is not D-bol because it just helps you retain water. Arnold dubbed it "the breakfast of champions!" It certainly isn't catabolic. The other orals are highly effective also.....for what they are expected to do and help you achieve.
09-10-2004, 05:57 AM
I doubt their is any need to worry about health since he said it would be 10mgs of winstrol.lolOriginally Posted by ryansm
09-10-2004, 06:02 AM
Well If I had to pic an oral only cycle I'd go with anadrol. Split the tabs in halves and take 25mgs 3 times a day and run that for 6 weeks. Anadrol can give great lean tissue gains contrary to what most believe. Dianabol will work too and I used it by itself way back before I knew how to get anything else and it will work. I'd say 30mgs every day for 6-8 weeks would work great if he eats and trains right.
09-10-2004, 08:08 AM
First off, let me say that Beelzebub is right. But let me say that I am one of the few people that think an oral only cycle can be worth something. But calling it a 'good' cycle is maybe a misnomer. An OK cycle is a little closer to the truth. Any oral only cycle is going to be a poor cousin to an injectable one. Read the post linked at the end of the post to see how it should look.
Size is right really on all counts. Dbol only is not a "good" cycle. Two weeks of winny, two weeks of Dbol, and anther two weeks of winny is a useless cycle at any dose, let alone the dosages stated. Rocksolid, no flame here, did not do his homework.
Not keeping any gains is popular and common belief. This is not without reason. Most people don't keep them, not because of the drug but because of the type of people that use oral only. To make a success out of a oral only you a. dedicated b. knowledgeable, c. disciplined. Most people (not all) that are all three don't do oral only. They know that there are better options available and are going to use the safer, more effective methods to meet there goals. That usually involves other delivery types. So the irony here is that the very people that can make the most out of an oral only cycle don't use them while oral only cycles are the first cycles that the rest of the people tend to look at. The ones that don't want to inject, or rub themselves with smelly gels, generally not willing to do what it takes. Newbies that are dedicated generally get talked into doing better things (or just learn). It really isn't to be wondered that people look down on orally only cycle.
Here is one that I know does work and work fairly well:
Look over my first cycle please.
09-10-2004, 12:54 PM
Try 500mg/week of cyp, enath or prop IMO.......the best first cycle !
Just keep in mind the enanth and cyp will be harder to control if things go bad, but the infrequent injects is better for most. The prop is easier to control, but will require ED or EOD injects.
Test only.......the best first cycle......PERIOD !
09-10-2004, 01:11 PM
09-10-2004, 01:15 PM
09-10-2004, 03:41 PM
That **** was too funny man, and so true!!!!
My The 1 LOG: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/254164-my-one-log.html
09-10-2004, 10:36 PM
09-10-2004, 11:12 PM
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