1st time Havoc cycle-INPUT needed

[Roniboney]

Hi guys,

I'm preparing my first cycle for the beginning of February.I've been researching PH's a lot and I'm decided on using Havoc as the reviews and side effects seem quite low.I intend to use this cycle to bulk.Looking for a good 7-12 lbs of leanmass

Stats:
5'11

185lbs atm 12% bodyfat
Training for 5 years and training seriously for 3
nearly 22 years old

PRE CYCLE
I’m planning 2-weeks of cycle support loading before I begin a 4-week Havoc cycle followed by 4-weeks of PCT.

The 2 weeks pre-cycle I'll be taking (I'll be taking these things during the cycle also but the during cycle supports will be in lower amounts)
Fish oils
Glucosamine
Multivitamin
Milk Thistle
Saw Palmetto
Hawthorn Berry
Taurine(I have a lower back injury and get huge pumps when squatting)


CYCLE 4 weeks
Then for my actual cycle I'm planning on using the Milk thistle,saw palmetto and hawthorn berry in smaller amounts in conjunction with
a Havoc Cycle of

20 20 20 20 20 20 20
30 30 30 30 30 30 30
30 40 40 40 40 40 40
40 40 40 40 40 40 40

I'm a little unsure about these numbers as they may be quite high for a first time cycle.What do you guys think?
As a cycle support I'm going to run Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support at 2 scoops daily

PCT 4 weeks
and for PCT I'm going to run Reversitol on its own at
3/2/2/1


A few things,I'm a little skeptical about the Havoc dosing and as to whether or not it should be higher,and whether or not Reversitol on its own will be enough.I've read and researched and I'm failry sure it will be as Havoc has low sides but I'd love a couple more opinions guys.

[DWeaver]

Your cycle will depend on your goals. Bulking, cutting or recomp.

[Roniboney]

Stupid me.I intend to bulk using this cycle.Thoughts?

[DWeaver]

I would run it at least 5 weeks if not 6.
Havoc. 30/40/40/50/50
This is what I would do at a minimum.
Havoc takes around 3 weeks to get going so 4 will not work for a bulk.
PCT should be a SERM havoc will shut you down.
Novla. 20/20/10/10
Erase. 0/0/3/2/2/1
DAA or HCGenerate
Vitamin C

[Roniboney]

Duly noted on the higher dosage.

Would Reversitol not cover me completely for my PCT

It claims to do all of the things that Nolva,Erase and HCGenerate claim to do.

Boost LH output
Increase Testosterone serum levels
Increase free Testosterone levels
Block Aromatase / Estrogen
Bi-level approach to inhibit Gynecomastia
Increase Libido
Increase DHEA levels
Raise Sperm count/motility
Stimulate the Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Gonadal axis


If I'm going to increase the cycle time how would you suggest I alter the cycle support products?


I appreciate the help

[Roniboney]

bump

[CopyCat]

Personally I loved havoc but never liked how I felt over 40 a day. That's just me though. IMO you should use a serm or at least have one on hand. If u go without it you def need more than reversitol. Either way you should add a good natty test booster. I like Torem as a serm for havoc, testopro for natty test booster, AIs post cycle support, and something for cortisol control.

[Roniboney]

So seeing as Havok is pretty mild I'm going to go for a longer cycle of 6 weeks

Run AI Cycle Support as my Cycle Support
Nolvadex as a serm for PCT
Bioforge as a test booster for PCT
Lean Xtreme as a stimulant and cortisol blocker

Preload Week 1-2 and use throughout entire cycle
Anabolic Innovations – Cycle Support (2 scoops per day, 1 morning, 1 night)
Milk Thistle,Hawthorn Berry,Saw Palmetto,Taurine

Week 3
RPN Havoc 20mg(10mg morning, 10mg before workout)

Week 4,5,6
RPN Havoc 30mg(20mg morning,10mg before workout)

Week 7,8
RPN Havoc 40mg(20mg morning,20mg before workout)

Week 9
Nolvadex (20mg per day)
Bioforge (3 pills per day, 1 morning, 1 lunch, 1 dinner)

Week 10
Nolvadex (20mg per day)
Bioforge (3 pills per day, 1 morning, 1 lunch, 1 dinner)
Lean Xtreme - (3 caps per day, 1 morning, 1 lunch, 1 dinner)

Week 11-12
Nolvadex (10mg per day)
Bioforge (3 pills per day, 1 morning, 1 lunch, 1 dinner)
Lean Xtreme - (3 caps per day, 1 morning, 1 lunch, 1 dinner)

Is this any better?I think that this will work and I've found a good place to buy Nolva but it will take like 1 month.But its proper pharmaceutical grade.Wish I knew an easier way/place to get a SERM

[Roniboney]

bump

[rynie27]

Hey bro I ran havoc for my first cycle. I bumped it up to 40mg in the last week and really had no better gains, I also weigh 210/215lbs. Great for strength gains, but it actually shut me down harder than I thought it was. Wouldn't take it too lightly as i think it is stronger than many think.

[Roniboney]

So do you think a good

20 20 20 20 20 20 20

20 20 20 20 20 20 20

20 30 30 30 30 30 30

30 30 30 30 30 30 30

30 30 30 30 30 30 30

something like this for 5 weeks would be a decent cycle would it?I think having the Nolvadex as my SERM will do me fine and the feedback on cycle support,bioforge and lean xtreme are great so I'm happy that they will work.I'm just worried about my dosing for my cycle and the length that I should run it for seeing as everyone has different ideas of how long it should be and how much I should use.It#s recommended for beginners to do 4-6 weeks depending on the PH.Any input ?

[Yubber]

Epi is good you should like it, a buddy or mine ran it at 30mg ED for 30 days and gained a good 10lbs kept about 7lbs post PCT. So I think you should be fine at 20/20/30/30/30. just heed what rynie said it can shut you down hard for how mild most people make it sound. But your PCT looks good so I think you will be alright.
Good luck on it!

[Roniboney]

Epi is good you should like it, a buddy or mine ran it at 30mg ED for 30 days and gained a good 10lbs kept about 7lbs post PCT. So I think you should be fine at 20/20/30/30/30. just heed what rynie said it can shut you down hard for how mild most people make it sound. But your PCT looks good so I think you will be alright.
Good luck on it!

Thanks bro

Ye for the Havok I'm going to run a 6 week cycle at 20/20/30/30/30/40 and then run Nolva at 20/20/10/10 along with bioforge,lean xtreme and post cycle support at 0/0/4/4/4/4 just to be sure that I experience little to no sides.Gonna run AI cycle support throughout the entire cycle so I'll be covered.

Thank phuck someone thinks I'm onto a good first timer cycle

[DWeaver]

Start at 30, 20 is a waste IMO.

[kansui]

Yes.. 30 week one, and 40 for the rest. 20 will be a big waste. Enjoy your cycle?