beastdrol absorption

[live to lift]

Looking to start my beast in the next 6 days and keep reading different things to help with absorption take with fish oil olive oil grapefruit juice any input? Also on workout days dosing first week 10 pre second and third week 10 pre 10 post fourth week possibly 20 pre 10 post but I'm also bridging to epi wit 30 mg do I dose the same way on workout days then just evenly throughout the day on non workout days?

 

[rebelhead]

hey that stuff may help absorption but why bother. that sh1t is strong. gettin it in ur system aint the problem. i would dose it evenly throughout the day. i'm more a fan of steady blood levels than dosing when i train.

 

[live to lift]

Bump

 

[RickRock13]

The best way to dose any PH is to take it with some form of fat IMO, which could be from food, fish oil, nuts, etc....This is especially important if you plan on taking your doses fasted, as stomach acids can break down the compounds. The fat sources help to coat the molecules to help prevent this from happening and make it more Bioavailable to you

As for dosing, I like to dose twice per day on everything. One dose preworkout and another one spaced 8 hrs from that (either before or after depending if you do AM or PM workouts) one dose AM and one in the afternoon is optimal. Some people have trouble sleeping when dosing too close to bedtime

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

^^^I'm with Rick on this one. I always take my orals with fat for the absorption. If bulking this usually means with PB, and if cutting it generally means with fish oil. I can't speak to the grapefruit juice as I've never tried it myself. But the fat has always worked for me.

 

[live to lift]

^^^I'm with Rick on this one. I always take my orals with fat for the absorption. If bulking this usually means with PB, and if cutting it generally means with fish oil. I can't speak to the grapefruit juice as I've never tried it myself. But the fat has always worked for me.

Well what about the whole not consuming fats pre wrkout or postworkout?

 

[RickRock13]

Well what about the whole not consuming fats pre wrkout or postworkout?

Why would you want avoid ALL fats pre and post workouts? If you want to reap all the benefits of the Beastdrol, I'm pretty sure a couple caps of fish oil or 3 or 4 almonds with your dose won't hurt you

 

[barn91]

Fats are gonna slow down the digestion/absorption of food a bit. You want your body to absorb nutrients pre/post workout like a sponge to avoid catabolism

 

[jamesm11]

Fats are gonna slow down the digestion/absorption of food a bit. You want your body to absorb nutrients pre/post workout like a sponge to avoid catabolism

This post workout window stuff has been proven wrong in many studies, you got like 2 hours to get food in, fats slow a little but not 2 hours

 

[RickRock13]

Fats are gonna slow down the digestion/absorption of food a bit. You want your body to absorb nutrients pre/post workout like a sponge to avoid catabolism

Everything you've been led to believe by what you just said is completely wrong. You will not go catabolic by taking in fats pre or post workout. And slow absorption is not a bad thing either (more on that in a minute)

If I told you what I did you would think I'm completely crazy...well here it is.....

I take in only BCAAs pre and post workout and fast for another 5 hours post workout with ZERO food or calories. But guess how much catabolism is taking place?....none. In actuality studies show that your body is still absorbing and taking in aminos from food 16 hours or more after ingestion. This is the reason that the intermittent fasting protocols such as the one I follow are so popular and effective.

 

[gymrat827]

take with 2.5-4g's of fish oil and some fast carbs. I take my PH/DS with 3 1200mg fish oils, 10g xtend/BCAA and 15g dextrose. Fast carbs, good fats, and some amino's are what i feel is important. I always make sure to take them with 20oz of water too. (well i mix the bcaa/dextrose in the 20oz)

 

[barn91]

Everything you've been led to believe by what you just said is completely wrong. You will not go catabolic by taking in fats pre or post workout. And slow absorption is not a bad thing either (more on that in a minute)

If I told you what I did you would think I'm completely crazy...well here it is.....

I take in only BCAAs pre and post workout and fast for another 5 hours post workout with ZERO food or calories. But guess how much catabolism is taking place?....none. In actuality studies show that your body is still absorbing and taking in aminos from food 16 hours or more after ingestion. This is the reason that the intermittent fasting protocols such as the one I follow are so popular and effective.

I doubt youre making yourself more anabolic by eating less.

 

[barn91]

This post workout window stuff has been proven wrong in many studies, you got like 2 hours to get food in, fats slow a little but not 2 hours

I didn't say anything about two hours. I myself eat a meal balanced in P/C/F two and a half hours before training, and a fruit and whey shake an hour before training. I personally don't care about what bull**** breakthrough study proves otherwise, i eat this way because i feel more energized/healthy pre/post training.

 

[bigdavid]

Everything you've been led to believe by what you just said is completely wrong. You will not go catabolic by taking in fats pre or post workout. And slow absorption is not a bad thing either (more on that in a minute)

If I told you what I did you would think I'm completely crazy...well here it is.....

I take in only BCAAs pre and post workout and fast for another 5 hours post workout with ZERO food or calories. But guess how much catabolism is taking place?....none. In actuality studies show that your body is still absorbing and taking in aminos from food 16 hours or more after ingestion. This is the reason that the intermittent fasting protocols such as the one I follow are so popular and effective.

I bet youre maximizing that growth hormone after your workout..nice

Edit: also got any links for me to read about the diet protocol you use? Would be interested to read up on it I have always eaten pretty much every 3 hours not because I think it is the only way but because its hard for me to eat enough food otherwise..but would be interested to hear your strategy.

 

[RickRock13]

I doubt youre making yourself more anabolic by eating less.

Nobody ever said I was eating less. My meals are usually 1500-2000 Cal's and well over 100g protein in one sitting...it is just all eating is done within an 8 hr window to maximize the full benefits of my body's insulin and leptin levels to make my body "more Anabolic"....not less

Check out one of the biggest and most active threads on this forum for all the info you need on it. There are a whole lot of us in there that are doing this and getting some incredible results from it

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/174612-lean-gains-if.html

 

[RickRock13]

I bet youre maximizing that growth hormone after your workout..nice

Edit: also got any links for me to read about the diet protocol you use? Would be interested to read up on it I have always eaten pretty much every 3 hours not because I think it is the only way but because its hard for me to eat enough food otherwise..but would be interested to hear your strategy.

All the info you could ever want on it is in this thread here bud

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/174612-lean-gains-if.html

 

[rebelhead]

I bet youre maximizing that growth hormone after your workout..nice

Edit: also got any links for me to read about the diet protocol you use? Would be interested to read up on it I have always eaten pretty much every 3 hours not because I think it is the only way but because its hard for me to eat enough food otherwise..but would be interested to hear your strategy.

there is a book called the warrior diet that has some similar theories.

 

[live to lift]

So the whole never consume fats pre or post workout is BS? I have lived by that rule for some time now anyone care to share a link on this study

 

[RickRock13]

So the whole never consume fats pre or post workout is BS? I have lived by that rule for some time now anyone care to share a link on this study

What study? Where is the info that supports your claim that you shouldn't take in fats pre or post workout? I haven't heard that before

 

[live to lift]

What study? Where is the info that supports your claim that you shouldn't take in fats pre or post workout? I haven't heard that before

Any nutritional program or diet or anything wheather it be from my training books to musclemag writeups every one of them say to take in carbs and protein but never fat pre or post workout they say it slows down your bodys ability to effectivly utilize protein during that window around your workout

 

[san731]

So the whole never consume fats pre or post workout is BS? I have lived by that rule for some time now anyone care to share a link on this study

I think the whole theory behind that is because fats will slow digestion which wouldn't be optimal pre and post workout

 

[live to lift]

I think the whole theory behind that is because fats will slow digestion which wouldn't be optimal pre and post workout

Exactly that's what I have always read so I have never had fats with my pre or postworkout.

 

[TheDarkHalf]

Actually I remember reading somewhere that the whole fat absorption thing is BS. We have it backwards.

You want to take non-methyls with fatty acids as they are not very bioavailable

Methyls it doesn't really matter because they are already bioavailable due to the methylation

 

[RickRock13]

I guess the moral of the story is just take your Beastdrol however you want. I prefer to take mine with fats, but you don't want to do that, so just take them as you wish. In the long run it probably makes zero difference how or when you take them each day as long as the dose you want is met

 

[Presa]

The subject of "AAS absorption with grapefruit juice" is one I would like to see addressed by a chemist and/or pharmacist. The problem is that OTC PH/AAS are not on anyone's list to study. There are numerous prescribed medications ( I have taken some in the past) that have warnings on them about taking with grapefruit juice. On the enclosed literature, it states that it may "intensify the effects of the medication leading to an unintentional overdose". I assume the grapefruit juice enhances the absorption in some way. Which in my opinion would not be such a bad thing if you just lowered the initial dose. In affect, your bottles would last longer per cycle.

This is and always has been an interesting topic which I would like to see answered by an expert, not bro-science if that were ever possible.

 

[TheDarkHalf]

The subject of "AAS absorption with grapefruit juice" is one I would like to see addressed by a chemist and/or pharmacist. The problem is that OTC PH/AAS are not on anyone's list to study. There are numerous prescribed medications ( I have taken some in the past) that have warnings on them about taking with grapefruit juice. On the enclosed literature, it states that it may "intensify the effects of the medication leading to an unintentional overdose". I assume the grapefruit juice enhances the absorption in some way. Which in my opinion would not be such a bad thing if you just lowered the initial dose. In affect, your bottles would last longer per cycle.

This is and always has been an interesting topic which I would like to see answered by an expert, not bro-science if that were ever possible.

This has been extensively covered on this forum in the past. Essentially, the greater the absorption, the greater the side effects.

 

[fueledpassion]

This post workout window stuff has been proven wrong in many studies, you got like 2 hours to get food in, fats slow a little but not 2 hours

That's always good to know since I have a hard time getting straight to a meal after working out. Sometimes my schedule just doesn't allow for such things.

 

[fueledpassion]

This has been extensively covered on this forum in the past. Essentially, the greater the absorption, the greater the side effects.

And with greater side effects you dont also get greater gains?

I'm just trying to understand that statement. Are you encouraging to NOT have good absorption?

I personally have never taken anything else with my SD. Only UDCA a few hours after my first dose of SD but thats it.

 

[live to lift]

I guess the moral of the story is just take your Beastdrol however you want. I prefer to take mine with fats, but you don't want to do that, so just take them as you wish. In the long run it probably makes zero difference how or when you take them each day as long as the dose you want is met

Its not that I don't want to take them with fat bro. You know more than me and I always appriciate your input and ill probably dose with fish oil pre workout and with my breakfast in the morning with peanut butter

 

[RickRock13]

Its not that I don't want to take them with fat bro. You know more than me and I always appriciate your input and ill probably dose with fish oil pre workout and with my breakfast in the morning with peanut butter

That's your call man. I'm not trying to stray you from your diet plans, and just trying to figure the best way to help answer your question. Hopefully you got the info you were looking for. If there is anything else I can help with let me know bro

 

[TheDarkHalf]

And with greater side effects you dont also get greater gains?

I'm just trying to understand that statement. Are you encouraging to NOT have good absorption?

I personally have never taken anything else with my SD. Only UDCA a few hours after my first dose of SD but thats it.

Yes, you do also get greater gains. Ultimately, it's up to you.