stano-drol vs androhard
- 12-01-2011, 05:43 PM
- 12-02-2011, 11:53 AM
- 12-02-2011, 01:00 PM
this is a dumb question, one can only guess what that would be.
i dont know eric's thinking behind how he dosed androhard, but i'd imagine it would be so the dosing would be equal to what other products are.
so maybe 1 stanodrol capsule=1 androhard capsule, but really, who the fcuk knows.
12-02-2011, 04:49 PM
150 mg per capsule of stanodrol
200mg per softgel of androhard v3
Let's say stanodrol absorbed even 15% that would equate to 23mgs of hormone
Let's say AndroHard v3 absorbed 85% (Eric thinks 95%) but lets just go with this --- equate to 170mgs of hormone
From that it would be 7 caps of stano to = 1 softgel of AhV3
Whether these absorption rates are accurate ---- the potency of the androhard is simply much stronger per serving.
A full serving of 6 softgels is 1200mgs of hormone....they recommend 8 or so which is 1200mgs.....
Would be interesting to see someones blood after dosing both products and see where their 3a & 5a androstane levels are as well as DHT...
12-02-2011, 04:57 PM
i did this back in april with the old androhard (2nd version with the grapefruit juice) compared to stano
1. how many mg of stano can be bought for the price of 1 bottle androhard
2. androhard is a 56 day cycle so divide all that stanodrol that can be bought by 56 to see how much stano you can take/day for the same price
3. check PP's charts to see how much DHT conversion they project with a single serving of androhard. when you see how many mg of DHT is produced/daily serving, calculate the conversions rate from that serving. last i checked in april 300mg of androhard converted to 95.5mg of dht/week. that was a 4.55% conversion rate. their new version will be different.
4. now for that same amount of DHT, calculate what conversion rate stanodrol NEEDS to match androhard's DHT/week using all that stanodrol/day that can be bought for the price of 1 androhard. back when i did this i found stano needed a 1.13% conversion rate to achieve 95.5mg of dht per week for the same price
if stanodrol in reality has a higher conversion rate than what you calculate for it (i had 1.13%), it is better to buy stano. im almost positive stano has a better conversion rate than 1.13% or else it would be hard to even notice any DHT effects from it so back then i figured stanodrol was the better buy. this was with the old androhard keep in mind. new one will give a different number. D-plex would be a true comparison tho.
it is simple math going from step to step, you just need the information from PP's site on how much andro converts to DHT... i dont know if it's still on there.
btw they compared androhard, a DHT pro with little to no anabolic activity to 375mg of testosterone/week which i can surely attest to it's anabolic activity having used 400mg test e/week........ last i recall the old version was compared to masteron which is a much better comparison. saying androhard will be anything like 375mg of testosterone is stupid
12-02-2011, 05:08 PM
12-02-2011, 05:57 PM
oh, huh, didn't realize it had 200mg of androsterone per capsule, i would of thought it had less d/t increased absorbtion. interesting.
hmm... i like cm's logic. let me look at how much androhard cost, i dont care about conversion numbers, cause it's just a pipe dream.
6 caps e/d= 1200mg*, a 28 day (4 week) supply, for only $129.95
3 bottles for 120 bucks (if you pay full price of 40$)
so for a 4 week supply (30 days) it would be:
9 caps e/d= 1,350mg
i personally dont know anyone who has ran stanodrol at 1,350mg e/d, as i dont think anyone has needed to, but im sure someone has before.
now granted, androhard v3 has a special delivery system, but i dont know if the enhanced delivery would equate to the 1,350mg of stanodrol.
but, if you guy 2 bottles of androhard for 260$ to run a 4 week cycle, you'll get 2400mg plust the special delivery system,
and if you bought 6 bottles of stanodrol for 240$ to run a 4 week cycle, you'll get 2700mg, but no added delivery system.
all in all, as i said before, i dont think one can really make this argument unless we have a bunch of people using both androhard v3 for 28 days, AND stanodrol at 9 caps e/d for 30 days.
12-02-2011, 06:49 PM
6 caps AH V3 would be 1200mgs...
12-02-2011, 10:03 PM
12-02-2011, 10:41 PM
If you want a simple comparison, just look at absorption. Plain androsterone (no ester) is not going to absorb any better than 50% just by its solubility limits. So right there, you AH is 2x more potent any standard pill of androsterone.
This is also assuming that you take the standard pills of androsterone with fat, and you have a working gallbladder. (fat + bile = increased solubility) If you took standard pills of androsterone on an empty stomach, you may not absorb any at all. So we are dealing with 0-50% absorbed. (yes, I have studies for this)
So in the most favorable possible scenario, stanodrol would be 2x weaker than AH... and possibly 5-10x weaker in less optimal digestive environment.
12-02-2011, 10:41 PM
well i must give credit to eric
androhard V3 is decently priced... the V2 was a straight joke at how much more of the same compound you could buy minus the grapefruit
12-02-2011, 10:43 PM
12-02-2011, 10:46 PM
back in april when i was crunching those numbers i couldve bought 5x as much stanodrol to the androhard V2, so in a possible favorable scenario, stanodrol would have been better...
but anyways, the V3 looks good for the money this is the first time i looked into the new version
12-03-2011, 02:08 AM
In fact I will go out and say right now that DHT will be high.....but not nearly as HIGH as 3a androstandiol glucuronide....which bloods showed way wayyy above average high range on our testers labs.
12-03-2011, 12:19 PM
12-03-2011, 12:31 PM
let's get you involved shall we? why are you marketing androhard to be anything like 375mg of testosterone? your last version was compared to masteron, androgenic with little to no anabolic value aka a good comparison... that is some crazy misleading marketing to people who don't understand the difference... androhard will be absolutely NOTHING like 375mg of test E... explain
12-03-2011, 01:16 PM
I can understand that the marketing is hard to interpret as I , myself was skeptical, but after understanding all the R&D we invested into this and seeing real empirical evidence pan out as we knew it would......I am a firm believer. I am no fool to hormones, genetic responses to hormones, and false claims.
Not sure what your agenda is here.
12-03-2011, 01:34 PM
you're correct now that i recall it was DHT enanthate not masteron that AHV2 was compared to... an even better comparison than i thought
but go to PP site --> products --> androhard --> comparison
and read me the first thing androhardV3 is compared to... 375mg of testosterone enanthate... thaa fack
i think the masses deserve a better explanation for that than the marketing is hard to interpret... or that you fact checked it so it's all good
12-03-2011, 01:35 PM
If you bothered to read (or can?), you should check out the white papers, which do explain the equivalence. We assume most of our customers can read. Let me copy it here for you...
12-03-2011, 01:36 PM
12-03-2011, 01:49 PM
"more appropriately 180mg/week of DHT enanthate" that's more like it... but that would be on the white papers and not on the main comparison every consumer sees.
anyways, you obviously have no idea how these comparisons were made so save me the copy and paste
eric should explain these "Overall androgenic, anabolic & estrogenic activity" because i dont think anyone in their right mind can see how a DHT prohormone would produce the anabolic equivalent to almost 400mg/test e/week
are you saying you're taking into account every single metabolites androgenic/anabolic/estrogenic values? if so, please state each metabolite and it's ratings so we can see how this was done
12-03-2011, 01:51 PM
12-03-2011, 01:52 PM
12-03-2011, 01:56 PM
As for the values to provide you, it isn't a simple Androsterone + Epi-Androsterone + 4-Androstenedione + 4-Androstenediol + DHT = XXXX calculation, it has to rely upon the assume conversions at each step, estimated as closely as we can with supported studies.
12-03-2011, 01:57 PM
damnit Judo now I want some popcorn
12-03-2011, 01:58 PM
12-03-2011, 02:01 PM
If you cant follow that, go get a god damn GED.
12-03-2011, 02:21 PM
ok, so you're adding the overall anabolic/androgenic/estrogenic value for testosterone at 375mg/week
then you're adding the overall anabolic/androgenic/estrogenic value for your DHT prohormone
and since the androgenic score on DHT is very high it is raising the overall value to match testosterones overall value at 375mg/week???
BRB... going to synthesize an estrogenic compound with such a high estrogenic value it will make the overall anabolic/androgenic/estrogenic value of that compound match testosterone at 1000mg/week
12-03-2011, 02:41 PM
12-03-2011, 03:46 PM
12-03-2011, 04:07 PM
that's the most retarded way i've ever heard of two compounds being compared to each other... and btw who the f*ck sums the A/A/E scores anyways they are completely different variables lmao. since when could we sum different variables to give any meaningful value lulz... all you have on the main comparison tab is:
Equivalent to 375mg/week injectable Testosterone enanthate
Overall androgenic, anabolic & estrogenic activity
...any possible way to get the word testosterone associated with the products right? PP is king of that LOL
but hey, marketing is marketing, and i semi-lost interest unless you fire me back up lulz... go on now and get back to your video games
12-03-2011, 04:32 PM
12-03-2011, 07:01 PM
Again, your estrogen comment is retarded and undeserving of a response, if we marketed a product as such as you speak of then we can talk, until then move forward.
As for the comparison to testosterone, I am not sure what we are missing? I will state that with v2, it was slightly off the "test base" due to the lethargy experienced from 1-DHEA, but we took care of that. V3 will provide the user with the closest possible experience to testosterone that is currently available over the market. We also have guys who have put on ~15 lbs in 6/8 weeks, what kind of weight would you expect?
Lets not talk about foolish marketing. You may not be affiliated with Need2 anymore, but you very much were swinging from those nuts as well, "yo bro get them formastanzol OMG", "HCGenerate is great in PCT omg, my balls are so big." You defended them through what should have been their downfall when they openly stated they don't test hormones. I wish you weren't a biochem major and had taken some business classes, or you would have understood a bit more than to honestly respond to that with "haha bro, we are not even Mr. Supps, diff company bro." The best part was? You were doing this for ****ty product credit (I know exactly what you were making).
As a reminder: After numerous attempts of Nate to convince me to leave Primordial and rep for Need2, which I had the intelligence to turn down, Nate asked one last time, and I made a joke about him not being able to afford me. You immediately sent me a PM stating something to the case of "Well if you change your mind, we can make sure you are taken care of." Which was laughable in multiple ways. Funny how when that didn't work out (and the inevitable controversies of the company arose), I suddenly don't know what I am talking about.
...and thanks for allowing me the video game time, I know your comment was sarcastic in nature, but I enjoyed it.
12-03-2011, 07:24 PM
With all due respect, please leave the needto comments away from this thread. I try to direct my fellow reps to refrain from getting into pissing matches with those from other companies. Its disrespectful, unprofessional, and not how we "roll". I know how things have been in the past sir, but this issue is between you and chocolate milk. Neither **** or any of its reps have any affiliation with this thread whatsoever. I am a big fan of mutual respect, and I will do my best to keep it that way :group hug:
Recoverbro Elite"This is what we've been working on"
12-03-2011, 07:29 PM
12-03-2011, 07:41 PM
Sounds good man. Like I said, I know the direction that things have went in the past, but I would like to move past that and not let either one of our respective companies or any current reps be associated with it.Originally Posted by HereToStudy
Recoverbro Elite"This is what we've been working on"
12-03-2011, 08:22 PM
you really dont get it... you guys are not using the A:A RATIO that's my whole point... it's a ratio... you can't add those two figures for anabolic and androgenic and get any meaningful value for it... do you not understand that?
PP practically took the A:A ratio, added the factor of estrogenic to make it an A:A:E ratio and then you added all three numbers to get an overall score for Testosterone at 375mg/week. not only that, but you're using that overall score to somehow compare other compounds together. that makes no sense whatsoever... you can't just add up all 3 variables and call something equivalent because it matches the same overall score.
since when in the history of steroids did people start adding vida's A:A ratios? let alone call compounds equivalent based on the sum of those numbers lmao. do you honestly not see what's wrong with that?
12-03-2011, 08:41 PM
Come on.. Lets just hug it out guys. Maybe do some "trust-falls" and talk about our feelings.
12-03-2011, 08:59 PM
12-04-2011, 12:16 AM
Im typing from my phone, and eating at macaroni grill so i wont type long. For f@ck sake......enough banter about A:A ratios. The most important part is real people are gaining 10, 15, 20lbs in 4-8 weeks. That is fact. People will either buy it for the price or not. End of story.Now back to this chicken,Shrimp , pasta rigatoni meal...
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