stano-drol vs androhard
- 12-04-2011, 06:06 PM
In bioassay research you will find analysis of total androgenic or estrogenic activity. Since we know the A:A ratio of these hormones from the vida, we consider those values too, hence our A:A:E ratio is a hybrid equivalence claim based off bioassay studies and A:A ratios mainly from the vida.
In essense, we wanted to give people a general ballpark of effects from andro products. In theory, deriving a testosterone equivalent value from estrogen is possible. This of course on the most extreme end of the spectrum. The effects of DHT and testosterone are closer than the effects of testosterone and estrogen IMO. (probably a 70% overlap between T and DHT, with maybe only 30-40% overlap between T and E)
The 375mg/week TE claim for AH makes sense in a real world setting. You would have a hard time differentiating a full dose of AH vs. 375mg/week of injectable T enanthate by examining end user results, bloods, physical examination, etc. The differences would become more clear as months went on, but would still be similar.
Eitherway, bioassays are being used now to calculate the appropriate dose of DHT for TRT by simply measuring the total "androgen" activity. Naturally, the science will evolve, and we will see total estrogen activity measured in the TRT seeking male too. There is more logic in calculating the sum of hormone activity, rather than individual hormones. Its just a matter of correlating total "sum" estrogen or androgen activities with blood levels of individual hormones, creating an economical bioassay test, and implementing this in a clinical setting. Id say in the next 10-15 years we will see docs testing for "androgen activity" rather than T levels. I
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- 12-05-2011, 04:24 AM
don't take offense but i personally don't believe an amount of DHT would produce the anabolic effects of 375mg/test having used 400mg/TE/week. Androgenic effects yes and beyond. But DHT has a tough time staying within the muscle alone without being converted to a weaker metabolite as it's normal allocation in the body is not in the muscle. too many factors against it playing an anabolic role in muscle tissue (molecular structure including) when compared to testosterone.
however, the only reason i even cycle testosterone with other compounds like nandrolone or superdrol is for the DHT. the ol "add a test base" has long been mistaken, and should have been dubbed add a DHT base. so i will grab a bottle when funds allow and i am very much in favor of the product----less on the marketing and equivalence science. but ya can't win em all...
this thread has been drawn out long enough. thanks for the explanation.
- 12-05-2011, 11:08 AM
If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
12-05-2011, 11:49 AM
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12-05-2011, 04:32 PM
androhard v3 looks interesting, i think i'll give it a go after i get back from vacation. glad you guys take paypal
12-05-2011, 04:43 PM
12-05-2011, 11:25 PM
Glad to see you guys will be enjoying it
12-06-2011, 02:24 AM
You know... just in case
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12-07-2011, 07:53 PM
I think I'm gonna bite the bullet and buy a couple androhard v3. I hear phf and some other company are formulating a stanodrol clone so when one of these are released ill run it as well and compare the two.
12-08-2011, 11:44 PM
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03-24-2012, 04:17 PM
I think the new stano deal is coming out or just came out.....so now this is a viable topic again.....
03-24-2012, 09:23 PM
I ran the androhard but haven't heard of this new one.
03-24-2012, 10:07 PM
I believe stano is mmv2 also. It's primary for aggression, focus, energy, but it's not as much of a hardener like AH. I've found pstanz and katanadrol to be more like AH, hardness and some lean gains.
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03-28-2012, 12:52 AM
Here to Study or Here to start ****?
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03-28-2012, 08:50 PM
03-28-2012, 09:04 PM
AndroHard Power Rating1 Pill = ↑ 375ng/dL Testosterone EquivalentResearch shows that androgen levels (e.g. testosterone) must increase by ~1300ng/dl to drop total body fat by 10%, and to increase lean body mass by 10%. (without training or diet intervention) (39-41)
In-house research, in addition to outside studies, show that a daily dose of 6 AndroHard softgels increases androgens enough to match the overall bio-activity of a 2250ng/dL testosterone level. (42-51)
Therefore, if your testosterone level is currently 950ng/dL, then 6 softgels of AndroHard will provide enough “testosterone-activity” to surpass the threshold and drop total body fat by 10%, and increase lean body mass by 10% -- if you change no factors at all.
Results from our in-house subjects shows that additional lean mass and/or fat loss can be obtained by following an appropriate diet and training program.
You primordial guys crack me up... They must give you a ****load of free product for you to stand behind this ****...
03-29-2012, 01:01 AM
Butthurt Need 2 fans. At least the company I stand behind is willing to test hormone powders they release to the public and recommend people ingest. Really happy you guys stuck around. Tell big Nate I am interested in some contest prep. I heard he really knows how to dial in.
03-29-2012, 02:49 AM
Some of the most ignorant people live on this board, in this thread even. ****.
Nothing any of the PP reps explained was hard to understand, everything from the white paper analysis to the ball analogy. Now we have people who have nothing better to do than smash a company in between masturbation sessions because they don't understand the science behind the products.
What wonderful times we live in.
03-29-2012, 03:06 AM
03-29-2012, 04:49 AM
For some reason Izzetmaster sounds familiar. He could be a member from another board, not sure.
As for the n e e d 2 fans, im not sure why they come in here and do what they do. There are other pressing matters for them to attend to im sure of, rather than trying to do what they do best.
( at heart )
03-29-2012, 01:09 PM
Why in the hell did the 2 beta testers that used AndroHard both stay pretty much the SAME BODY WEIGHT, but lost 3-4% BF and got stronger. Oh I know .....they used REAL TESTED PURE hormones and trained, and ate appropriately for a nice recomp change.
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06-08-2013, 06:14 AM
I haven't had any experience with AndroHard. I have done a cycle of stanodrol which worked out excellent for me.
Oh well in the end I can't really decide between both of them cause I haven't tried AndroHard.
I will probably do a cycle soon and keep you updated in here!
06-08-2013, 05:58 PM
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