M1t and cutting
- 08-30-2004, 02:38 PM
- 08-30-2004, 02:45 PM
It can be used for cutting to help preserve muscle...It also can kill your appetite which is good when cutting. Some people bloat and hold water on m1t so it can cause that.
08-30-2004, 03:25 PM
I used it to cut. I gained strength and vascularity like a madman. I'm sure I was holding some water in the muscles, but I was not bloated at all.
08-30-2004, 03:55 PM
08-30-2004, 05:39 PM
hiOriginally Posted by NPursuit
can you give some details.. like what was your diet like while cutting with M1T?
and what about training volume/frequency.. cardio?
08-30-2004, 07:21 PM
Ya, but I remember you are one of the rare ones who feel great on it. Perhaps a different reaction to one afflicted to the m1t doom.Originally Posted by NPursuit
08-30-2004, 07:27 PM
The problem with M1T is when you go off of it. I'd hate to be in the middle of a cut going off that junk. Hard recovery and you feel pretty bad when going off, even with Nolvadex. Half the weight you gained/maintained while on a cut goes away days after the cycle too. If you have a weight goal that you want to hit, the M1T makes it really hard to gauge your true progress. Bloating gives you false numbers on the scale.
08-31-2004, 11:18 AM
Let's see if I can remember.Originally Posted by Imsleepinmonkey
I ran M1T @ 10mg for 4 weeks.
I was on a carb restricted 40/20/40 PCF diet. I only took in carbs pre and post workout.
Training was a 5 day split broken down as follows.
Day 1 - Chest/45 min cardio
Day 2 - Back/45 min cardio
Day 3 - Off
Day 4 - Legs
Day 5 - Shoulders/45 min cardio
Day 6 - Bis/Tris
Day 7 - Off
I don't remember my #s but I lost fat, and gained a ton of strength and vascularity. By the 2nd week cardio was difficult due to the calve cramping, but not impossible. Besides the calve cramping during cardio the only problem I had was soft tissue damage to my shoulders due to the rapid strength increase. The next time I run it, I will ease up on the poundages so I don't run into that problem. Although I only do Arnold presses for shoulders now, so I believe that the injuries won't be a major factor in the future.
08-31-2004, 11:19 AM
This is true. That is why I always tell people to give it a shot though, because I have put friends of mine on it and they feel great as well. You never know until you try it.Originally Posted by ryansm
08-31-2004, 11:24 AM
4-AD gives you the same problem though. You have to take that into account and realize that 10lbs of muscle is not possible in 2 weeks.Originally Posted by IHateGymMorons
08-31-2004, 11:25 AM
08-31-2004, 11:37 AM
Ya I agree, and I noticed that you were doing a low intensity cardio for 45 minutes, I persume it was walking? I was thinking of doing this so that I get some cardio on m1t, for me high intensity is just not happening.Originally Posted by NPursuit
08-31-2004, 11:38 AM
08-31-2004, 11:39 AM
It was low/medium intensity jogging. The hills were the killer on the calves.Originally Posted by ryansm
08-31-2004, 12:00 PM
08-31-2004, 02:18 PM
That cycle ended in June I think. PCT was fine. I was completely shut down though, and my test level was 124 1 week into PCT, and my liver tests showed elevated enzymes. 4 weeks later I retested and everything was normal. I don't remember my test level, but it was well within the normal range. I had to stop training for a week to give my shoulder a rest, but I bounced back feeling good during the rest of my PCT.Originally Posted by IHateGymMorons
08-31-2004, 05:24 PM
Npursuit...I Know what you mean about cardio being hard to do on m1t cycles...the cramps are unbearable.
08-31-2004, 06:41 PM
What was your PCT regime like? Nolvadex? How long did you PCT? How much more weight did you lose when during PCT?Originally Posted by NPursuit
08-31-2004, 07:28 PM
I ran a standard 4 week Nolvadex PCT. I continued cutting into PCT and I believe I was still averaging 1-2lb decrease in weight through PCT before I hit a wall with the weight loss.Originally Posted by IHateGymMorons
08-31-2004, 07:29 PM
09-01-2004, 02:19 AM
09-01-2004, 08:56 AM
No, I never really noticed any apetite changes at any point in the cycle.Originally Posted by IHateGymMorons
09-02-2004, 10:43 PM
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