GYNO HELP NEEDED prolactin, prami, letro novla world of worry.

[panzerman]

Please help regarding my gyno situation as I’m starting to go crazy with It.!!!

I’m 35 years old and have been training for 10 years or so now, I have done my best to stay natural as was always worried about steroid sides..!!! Now this summer I thought I would give some ‘off the shelve products’ a try for boasting my performance. All seemed great and results good. Then a friend from another gym got some tablets which he said they are taking at his gym. Was told that they were just testerone boosters. I asked if it was steroid and needed a pct and was told no…!!!
Yes I’m stupid and I took these tablets and now after finishing them in June I got gyno a month later. The only PCT I did was “advanced PCT” from eBay as again I thought these aint steroids but this PCT should help. I now believe that the tablets where now some kind of polish d-bol from some investagation work…!!! As I here there gym is closed due to drugs being found there!

The gyno came in both nips as a lump so I ordered letro ASAP after reading many forums that this helps removes it and I also got some nolva.
I ran the letro at 2.5mg for 23 days as the left nip lump went and the right hand side was down to the size of a piece of sweet corn and couldn’t really be seen. Since I was on tablets of 2.5mg I tapered down like so.

Letro 1.88mg 3 days
Letro 1.25mg 3 days
Letro 0.63mg 3 days
Letro 0.63mg 7 days + 10mg Nolva (read that this is a good taper down if concerned about gyno)
Then Nolva 30/20/10.

Problem is as soon as I lowered (tapered) the letro and got to day 4 of 0.63mg letro and 10 mg nolva the lump started to come back in the right nip. Then as time went on with the nolva I did one week 30mg and by the second week the lump was back to a noticeable size also NIPS are puffy when cold, looks worse when warm and chest shaped had changed and looked puffy.

Now I REALLY NEED HELP GUYS PLEASE. It’s really starting to mess with my life and I’m spending hours & hours looking at forums looking for answers but just get more confused. I just want to sort this gyno out the best I can and never touch gear again other than creatine and protein that’s fine for me as ill save the steroids to people who know what they are doing. Just want to get life back to normal…!!!

I don’t know what to do next..???? Now I think I may have prolactin gyno as nip can leak when squeezed and they always feel oily / damp! I have read that if u have prolactin gyno then nolva isn’t any good and can make matters worse?????????????????????????????

Then there is talk of prami at 0.5mg that will help wonders for this type of gyno along with the letro and maybe 500mg of B6.
Or on another forum they say run 0.5mg of letro until gyno gone, this maybe running it for months later then just stop as no pct needed.???????
At present I’m back on the letro to try and control it again and that’s all, no cycle. So do I need to order Prami and what about letro rebound if I cant take Nolva for PCT.
Just want my life back and would be very grateful if someone can please help.

What products do I need?

How long for…????
And what about SERMs..????
dosing.??

HELP please is i have knowone to ask as i train alone (have friends at gym) and it a health and fitness gym so no steriod users there to ask for help or advise.

 

[fadi]

take the B6 as you are planning it should help with the prolactin. the return of the gyno after letro and nolva could be due to a rebound. You could take OTC AI at the end to counter the rebound.

 

[fireworkz788]

Go ask your doctor... Most people get there information from the Internet and won't be able to help (me). If its really bad and bothers you ask your doc, he will get you what you really need.

 

[fadi]

Unless it is a specialist, he won't do anything.

 

[fireworkz788]

I bet if you go in telling them your nips are fukced up he will put you on stuff

 

[cfelder1098]

Try and find some teslaz. It's hard to find n can run 2/5.00 a tab but everyone I know that has taken it has pea size lumps gone in 7-12 days.

 

[fadi]

is the spelling correct? I cannot find any info on it

 

[cfelder1098]

I can't remember it may be tes lax

 

[cfelder1098]

Letrozole is Good too

 

[cfelder1098]

I will still get info on teslaz. I have seen it work first hand. I had never heard of it either until started competitions

 

[mugen112]

Forma stanzolol from mrsupps.com works for a lot of peeps.

 

[panzerman]

Forma stanzolol from mrsupps.com works for a lot of peeps.

well im back on the letro at 1.25mg ed and lump feels alot softer.
been told to run this and maybe bump up to 2.5mg and run until gone or getting no better
also add Caber or Prami at 0.5mg ed and run course and into PCT
taper letro at end then clomid 100/50/50/20.

how does this look..??

 

[panzerman]

I bet if you go in telling them your nips are fukced up he will put you on stuff

well i have seen the doc twice. first time he confirmed it was gyno and sent me for a blood test.
second time i went for results to blood. all they said was its okay.??? when i asked for more details they said nothing to worry about...!!!! When i told them about the gyno again and stated its depressing me and lost what to do the doctor said it may go away. if not i have to pat to have it removed as its cosmetic.???

 

[panzerman]

I will still get info on teslaz. I have seen it work first hand. I had never heard of it either until started competitions

any info you could find would be helpful

 

[panzerman]

take the B6 as you are planning it should help with the prolactin. the return of the gyno after letro and nolva could be due to a rebound. You could take OTC AI at the end to counter the rebound.

sorry i dont know what OTC AI is ???

 

[fadi]

well i have seen the doc twice. first time he confirmed it was gyno and sent me for a blood test.
second time i went for results to blood. all they said was its okay.??? when i asked for more details they said nothing to worry about...!!!! When i told them about the gyno again and stated its depressing me and lost what to do the doctor said it may go away. if not i have to pat to have it removed as its cosmetic.???

that is why I said the doctor won't do anything. Besides, the only thing they know is cosmetic surgery, ehich theyare not far off. If Letro or other product does not reduce it, then surgery is the only option. You cannot get rid of gyno just reduce it

 

[fadi]

sorry i dont know what OTC AI is ???

OTC = Over the counter as in not needing prescription

 

[cfelder1098]

Ok its teslac n look on rxlist.com u can study it there. Just talked to my coach

 

[cfelder1098]

Testolactone is real name of drug.

 

[cfelder1098]

Testolactone

 

[fadi]

Treatment of pubertal gynaecomastia with testolactone
22 Boys with pubertal gynaecomastia (age 15.9 +/- 1.9 years) were treated with testolactone (450 mg daily by mouth) for 2 to 6 months without side-effects. The mean breast gland diameter regressed from 4.4 to 3.3, 3.2 cm, and 1.7 cm at 2, 4, and 6 months, while pubic hair and testicular volume progressed normally. Plasma androstenedione increased from 5.4 to 73.1 nmol/l. Testosterone, DHEA, and oestrone increased less, and oestradiol remained unchanged. Androgen/oestrogen ratios increased (most marked change: androstenedione/oestrone from 15 to 140). LH (basal and maximum after LHRH) did not change, but FSH increased somewhat (basal 133 to 173, maximum 225 to 269 micrograms/l). Prolactin remained unchanged. It is concluded that testolactone, an inhibitor of steroid aromatization, is an effective and safe medical treatment for pubertal gynaecomastia.

I'm assuming if it works on puberty gyno it can work on old gyno The dose is high, I will do more research to see what the communities are using it at.

EDIT: It is Controlled substance Class III so it is similar to buying injectables. Will be difficult to find without a source.

 

[cfelder1098]

It is difficult to find. I have one source but I did find it once from an underground lab. I'll ck my notes and get back to to.

 

[cfelder1098]

Check steroids.com and drugs.com they had some noted on bodybuilding use I just havnt had time to study them

 

[ripped_one]

Teslac is an old school AI from back in the day. I've never actually seen anyone use it, but would imagine it much less effective than letrozole, and even less effective than arimidex.

 

[cfelder1098]

Teslac is a 99.2% receptor block dex is 92.3% and nov is 88.8% I believe lor is around 92% but teslac was the very first approved by FDA.

 

[cfelder1098]

Those numbers are from the physicians desk manual. It list all meds by manufacturer.

 

[mugen112]

Letro is a competitive inhibitor which means the aromatase enzyme can become active again after dc of the ai. I'd look into a suicidal ai.

 

[fadi]

Letro has proven record when it comes to gyno. You may need something to avoid the rebound.

 

[Eric Potratz]

quit dicking around with the letro/arimidex AIs. People seem to gradually build a resistance to these, and they have a nasty rebound.

You need to increase your saturated androgen levels (DHT, androstanedione, androsterone, etc.)

These saturated androgens work by reducing estrogen conversion (AI action) and crippling the post ER DNA transcription (receptor modulator). Nothing reserves gyno better, and keeps it gone than a naturally occurring saturated androgen. Testalactone, or other steroidal AI's lack the androgenic potency to cripple the post ER mediated effects.

Androhard is probably the most cost effective product for this purpose, unless you have access to injectable DHT or something.

-Eric

 

[7ten11]

Lol at using over the counter products as pct or to reverse gyno sides when using AAS has caused the issue.
U need medical strength products to combat medical strength sides

Arimidex, letro will help with estrogen caused gyno

Caber/dostinex/bromo will help with progesterone/prolactin caused gyno

Obviously u need to go to a medical practitioner to obtain these products.
So do your self a favour & go to a doctor & tell them whats going on so u can get diagnosed properly & give u what u need rather then succumbing to the sales pitches of OTC products that do nothing but take your money

 

[Eric Potratz]

Lol at using over the counter products as pct or to reverse gyno sides when using AAS has caused the issue.
U need medical strength products to combat medical strength sides

Arimidex, letro will help with estrogen caused gyno

Caber/dostinex/bromo will help with progesterone/prolactin caused gyno

Obviously u need to go to a medical practitioner to obtain these products.
So do your self a favour & go to a doctor & tell them whats going on so u can get diagnosed properly & give u what u need rather then succumbing to the sales pitches of OTC products that do nothing but take your money

Does this mean that once DHT was scheduled, it was made effective? Or once androstenedione was scheduled it was made effective?

Dang... I hope they never change the scheduled status of testosterone... cause that will mean it doesnt work anymore...

 

[Eric Potratz]

Lol at using over the counter products as pct or to reverse gyno sides when using AAS has caused the issue.
U need medical strength products to combat medical strength sides

Arimidex, letro will help with estrogen caused gyno

Caber/dostinex/bromo will help with progesterone/prolactin caused gyno

Obviously u need to go to a medical practitioner to obtain these products.
So do your self a favour & go to a doctor & tell them whats going on so u can get diagnosed properly & give u what u need rather then succumbing to the sales pitches of OTC products that do nothing but take your money

Arimidex and letro do not cure gyno. They might reverse a flare up, but rebound is aggressive and gyno usually comes back. (hence the origination of this thread). Even a search in the medical literature indicates "a varying rate of success" with any of these drugs.

Im not sure what you mean by "progesterone/prolactin" caused gyno. Progesterone doesnt cause gyno, and prolactin is rarely an issue.

Extended DHT has been the only method that has proven to permanently reverse gynocomastia.

Check out my interview here -
http://www.superhumanradio.com/738-reversing-gyno-without-surgery-plus-paleo-and-performance.html

-Eric

 

[fadi]

I will give AndoHard a try to see if it will reverse/reduce. That won't be for a while though, unless I run it instead of epi with 11-oxo.

 

[Eric Potratz]

I will give AndoHard a try to see if it will reverse/reduce. That won't be for a while though, unless I run it instead of epi with 11-oxo.

It takes about 8 weeks to notice significant effects on reversal, and you really shouldnt run it with anything else if gyno reversal is your #1 goal.

The research with DHT reversing gyno shows that it takes about 16-32 weeks to see the maximum benefit.

-Eric

 

[mugen112]

How many bottles of androhard will it take to run 16-32 weeks and what would the cost of that be?

 

[Eric Potratz]

How many bottles of androhard will it take to run 16-32 weeks and what would the cost of that be?

It would be $311 if you got 4 months worth of AH at the sale price right now (4 bottles)

 

[7ten11]

Arimidex and letro do not cure gyno. They might reverse a flare up, but rebound is aggressive and gyno usually comes back. (hence the origination of this thread). Even a search in the medical literature indicates "a varying rate of success" with any of these drugs.

Im not sure what you mean by "progesterone/prolactin" caused gyno. Progesterone doesnt cause gyno, and prolactin is rarely an issue.

Extended DHT has been the only method that has proven to permanently reverse gynocomastia.


-Eric



I think you'll find that they do cause gyno brother from use of tren & deca.
I ain't no scientist but been in this game over 22 years, I've seen what can happen & what caused it.
Again, I'm not having a go at your products, but maybe u need to slow down on the hard sell a bit & give all the information out with scientific back up of your claims & include other products reviews too, to show what really works.
I hope what u say is true, but from my experience & from many others.
The correct way is to see a proper medical practitioner and get him/her to check your blood levels & to see where the hormonal imbalance is, in turn prescribing the correct medication as required. This also ensures you are doing it legally.
From my history, OTC products never live up to their claims.
Hope your do

 

[fadi]

It takes about 8 weeks to notice significant effects on reversal, and you really shouldnt run it with anything else if gyno reversal is your #1 goal.

The research with DHT reversing gyno shows that it takes about 16-32 weeks to see the maximum benefit.

-Eric

So ou think 11-oxo/cortisol control would affect it? I'll run it solo for 8. If I notice a difference, I'll extend it to 16 then see if I'll go for 32. I do hope it lives up to the expectations. Any need to cycle it like regular orals?

 

[Balboa270]

Dude there is no gyno reversal without surgery man definately a over the counter

 

[fadi]

You cannot get rid of it, but you definitely can get it reduced. I've had great success with Letro protocol where I got it reduced by 70% or so, but I would love to see it shrink more. Others had great success with B6 and there are logs on it as well. Letro worked first time, no additional results second time around. I did not experience any rebounds either time.

Mine was caused by Propecia and if I did not listen to my doctor, I would have controlled it from the onset. Surgery is the last option, but I don't like the downtime and the recovery period.

 

[swollen87]

i got some gyno from sd.... it flares its head from time to time, but i ran letro @ 2.5mg ed with caber .5 e3d along with 50mg winstrol for 8 weeks and its pretty much gone

 

[jbryand101b]

quit dicking around with the letro/arimidex AIs. People seem to gradually build a resistance to these, and they have a nasty rebound.

You need to increase your saturated androgen levels (DHT, androstanedione, androsterone, etc.)

These saturated androgens work by reducing estrogen conversion (AI action) and crippling the post ER DNA transcription (receptor modulator). Nothing reserves gyno better, and keeps it gone than a naturally occurring saturated androgen. Testalactone, or other steroidal AI's lack the androgenic potency to cripple the post ER mediated effects.

Androhard is probably the most cost effective product for this purpose, unless you have access to injectable DHT or something.

-Eric

Na, stanodrol is cheaper

 

[mugen112]

So katana may help with gyno?

 

[mugen112]

So katana may help with gyno?

And I don't mean by slicing it off with a katana blade!!

 

[jbryand101b]

maybe.

 

[MattPorter]

So katana may help with gyno?

Perhaps, but you would need to mega dose it as it is poorly absorbed. I would assume 10 pills a day would suffice for peak levels of 5A-stane-diol levels to rise for ER antagonism, but that is lots of pills and money to throw down.

Androhard is 200mg per softgel and will absorb 90-95%, while stanodrol might yield a 2-3% absorption.

Andactrim gel has been used for gyno reduction and is a topically applied DHT gel that is hard to obtain and percutaneously absorbed 20-30%

Besides injecting straight dht (ester or esterless) you will be hard to find something better than AndroHard v3

-Matt

 

[cfelder1098]

Ok this androhard is OTC, am I right. If so how does it differ from arimidex, nov, or the other proven underground bc I looked at it and it's 129.00 on peak performance but that's alot of arimidex for less money. Is it better? Thanks

 

[cfelder1098]

So what Eric is saying is there's no resistance build up or rebound of any kind on androhard? This is new to me and I checked out the site I've always used an arimidex novadex alteration n mixing days depending on cycle. But I've cycled 13 months straight and did 4 shows on dex n had no Gyno at all. Is androhard supposed to reverse Gyno once u have it or is it a preventer.

 

[7ten11]

So what Eric is saying is there's no resistance build up or rebound of any kind on androhard? This is new to me and I checked out the site I've always used an arimidex novadex alteration n mixing days depending on cycle. But I've cycled 13 months straight and did 4 shows on dex n had no Gyno at all. Is androhard supposed to reverse Gyno once u have it or is it a preventer.

Please don't fall into the trap bro.
OTC products cannot reverse gyno mate.
We are talking about human hormones here. Only medical strength products made by proper labs & prescribed by doctors will do the job.

There's obviously a few guys here that are making money by promoting their products. Hence the hard sell.

If they spent more time studying the real benefits of medical strength & professional studies by universities rather then spending so much money on advertising & self promoting OTC stuff & lining their pockets with our hard earned cash, they might learn what really works

 

[cfelder1098]

I'm with u but I was asking in case something groundbreaking had emerged. I have always been told the only cure for it is surgery n if it was anything stronger then it'd have to be prescribed.