Serious PCT IMHO

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    Serious PCT IMHO


    Well i am 10 weeks into my first cycle of 500mg prop weekly.
    I have upped it to 600mg weekly a few days ago.

    I started this cycle as a cut and now that i am leaned out i have decided to stay with it for up to 18-20 weeks, get my calories back up and put on some lean tissue. I have been using HCG from the start and everything is going well thus far.


    I am looking for PCT advice after a long cycle. I am sure I will have some major cortisol issues to deal with.

    I have the following products in my arsenal.

    Nolva 40/40/30/20/20?
    1mg igf-lr3 28 days at 40mcg
    2 bottles of 7-oxo. 200mg transdermal/ ED
    Xanax as needed to calm the soul
    Clenbuterol
    ECA with San Tight
    Kre-Alkalyn creatine (seems to work very well for me)
    I am looking into phosphadylserine (SP?)

    Do you think the Clen or ECA would be best for the first 2 weeks of PCT for cortisol control?

    Do you think i am going overkill?

    What are some opinions on products i am using or products you think i should be using?

    I really appreciate all responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the kid
    Well i am 10 weeks into my first cycle of 500mg prop weekly.
    I have upped it to 600mg weekly ` few days ago.

    I started this cycle as a cut and now that i am leaned out i have decided to stay with it, get my calories back up and put on some lean tissue. I have been using HCG from the start and everything is going well thus far.


    I am looking for PCT advice after a long cycle. I am sure I will have some major cortisol issues to deal with.

    I have the following products in my arsenal.

    Nolva 40/40/30/20/20?
    1mg igf-lr3 28 days at 40mcg
    2 bottles of 7-oxo. 200mg transdermal/ ED
    Xanax as needed to calm the soul
    Clenbuterol
    ECA with San Tight
    Kre-Alkalyn creatine (seems to work very well for me)
    I am looking into phosphadylserine (SP?)

    Do you think the Clen or ECA would be best for the first 2 weeks of PCT for cortisol control?

    Do you think i am going overkill?

    What are some opinions on products i am using or products you think i should be using?

    I really appreciate all responses.
    Yes that is overkill especially for a test only cycle. You have already been using HCG (over kill itself for a test only, but can't hurt). Nolvadex at 40mg ed for two week the another 2 weeks at 20 should be fine, I don't think your going to need the 5th one. From what I here the IGF would be great for the last 3 weeks of a 3-week PCT. I would save everything else for another time. except the creatine.
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    The cycle will end up being around 18-20 weeks long.
    I have some M1T that i will use for a few weeks as well.
    My next cycle i will be adding some tren and/or Dbol.

    I wish i had gotten something to go with it now. I could have my products in a week or so. Do you guys recommend that i go ahead and stack something else for the remaining 7-8 weeks?

    The reason i am considering the heavy PCT is because the cycle is going to be so long.
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    This being your first cycle I would suggest ending it at 10 weeks, running a full PCT, and seeing how you fair post cycle. People recover differently and its best to see how you personally handle low test levels, test rebound, libido, post depression, and so forth to better tweak your next cycle and PCT.

    The current PCT I've seen that peps have been toughting on AR is as follows:
    1-30 days: 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva + .25 L-Dex. (End HCG prior to last shot and before starting Clomid...of course.)

    That being said if you are hell bent on continuing your cycle another 8 weeks then throwing in a little Tren A at 50mg a ED or 100mg EOD (Depending on how you are shooting Prop.) would do you right. I realize that Tren on a first cycle is not generally accepted, but at a low dose of Tren A and an eye on sides you should be fine...plus at 10 weeks on prop I'm pretty sure you are aware of any current sides and can judge additional changes.

    If you run it 20 weeks I would up the PCT though to something like the following:

    1-15 Days: 100mg Clomid + 20 Nolva + .25 L-dex
    16-45 Days: 75mg Clomid + 20 Nolva + .25 L-dex

    Creatine and the Igf-lr3 are both fine for PCT, also don't forget to adjust your lift/vol and up your cals a bit.
  

  
 

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