[dslfam]

Hey guys,

I was just wondering some input. I have run dieselbolan before, about a year ago, with great results, and recently got in on that bogo deal. Needless to say I will be running this again, but will be waiting until after the first of the new year (too much going on right now + holidays to devote as much time as needed). Just wanted to post what I will be running, and see if anyone had any suggestions or comments about it or anything I should add. I have asked a couple people, and they said it looks good, but wanted some other opinions as well.

Cycle

Dieselbolan 2.0 3/4/4/4 (first 4 weeks only)
Dermacrine topical 4 pumps per day - 6 weeks
Test-E 250iu twice per week for 12 weeks
HCG 250iu twice per week for 12 weeks


PCT

TRS Stack (endo-amp/toco-8/sustain-alpha)
Clomid
Nolva
Forma-Standzol



Other

Gear 4 pills per day non workout days 6 on workout days
Cycle Assist 4 pills per day Start through PCT
Gluclosamine/
Chondroitin/MSM 3 pills daily
Fish Oil 4 pills daily




Does this look okay to everyone? Should I Add/Subtract anything?

Thanks for the input guys!

[RickRock13]

Looks pretty good except I would add to the PCT. A long suppressive cycle should have an extensive post cycle. Formastanozol or comparable AI plus some DAA would be good to add in.

[Rodja]

If you're using Test and hCG, there's no need for Derm or HCGenerate. What doses of Clomid are you planning to use?

[dslfam]

Looks pretty good except I would add to the PCT. A long suppressive cycle should have an extensive post cycle. Formastanozol or comparable AI plus some DAA would be good to add in.

My bad! I forgot, I do have Formasanozol already as well that will be used

[dslfam]

If you're using Test and hCG, there's no need for Derm or HCGenerate. What doses of Clomid are you planning to use?

Still need to look into it. I havent used clomid before so I am unfamiliar with dosages. Would you have a recommendation?

[Rodja]

100/50/50/25

[dslfam]

100/50/50/25

awesome! thanks man!

You said derma isnt necessary, I was told that it would help with the libido issue though?

[Rodja]

awesome! thanks man!

You said derma isnt necessary, I was told that it would help with the libido issue though?

I take it you've never run test before? Test sends your libido to new heights.

[MidwestBeast]

True; on test, I'd save the HCGenerate for sure; you could run dermacrine, but I'd just use it at a low dose.

I don't know as much as some of the guys, since the anabolics aren't my powerhouse, but aren't you supposed to wait until a few weeks in before using the hCG?

[dslfam]

I take it you've never run test before? Test sends your libido to new heights.

Haha, good guess. Ive only run orals before. Like I said before, I plan to wait til after the new year begins to start all this so I can devote everything necessary to it. Ive got a few bottles of this Dermacrine topical though. Was wondering, do you know of anyone that has run Derma standalone? I know its supposed to have very low sides. Was thinking maybe run this over the next 4 weeks, then take a 6 week break before running what I originally posted. If I was to do that, what would you recommend running with it? Does it still need a full pct the same? Or would something milder work just as well since its not as harsh? Or do you think that would just be a waste of time and I should just wait until I am ready to do the whole shebang?

[dslfam]

Also wondering what you guys might think about saving the derma, and using it after my pct to hold gains. For some reason my body just does not like to hold gains, even with the same regimen/diet. This is one of the reasons someone recommended I run the test-e cycle because you hold gains better as opposed to the 4-6 week oral cycles. Thoughts?

[TheDarkHalf]

Also wondering what you guys might think about saving the derma, and using it after my pct to hold gains. For some reason my body just does not like to hold gains, even with the same regimen/diet. This is one of the reasons someone recommended I run the test-e cycle because you hold gains better as opposed to the 4-6 week oral cycles. Thoughts?

Yeah you could do that. I would just make sure you are sufficiently recovered before doing so since it's mildly suppressive. Maybe 2 weeks after PCT? Guess it all just depends on how your PCT goes.

[dslfam]

Yeah you could do that. I would just make sure you are sufficiently recovered before doing so since it's mildly suppressive. Maybe 2 weeks after PCT? Guess it all just depends on how your PCT goes.

What would you recommend for pct on derma as a standalone? Does it still need a FULL pct like others? or would something simpler suffice?

[TheDarkHalf]

What would you recommend for pct on derma as a standalone? Does it still need a FULL pct like others? or would something simpler suffice?

A standard test booster would suffice IMO

[stlm3]

I have heard both ways, but I have some close friends that I trust who say that why would you wait to start it? Shut down begins slowly within a couple days, so if you wait to start it you are just allowing the shut down to begin. So they always told me to start the same time you start your cycle, to prevent it from ever happening.

True; on test, I'd save the HCGenerate for sure; you could run dermacrine, but I'd just use it at a low dose.

I don't know as much as some of the guys, since the anabolics aren't my powerhouse, but aren't you supposed to wait until a few weeks in before using the hCG?

[dslfam]

I have heard both ways, but I have some close friends that I trust who say that why would you wait to start it? Shut down begins slowly within a couple days, so if you wait to start it you are just allowing the shut down to begin. So they always told me to start the same time you start your cycle, to prevent it from ever happening.

That's pretty much what I was told too. Haha anyone have the for sure answer on this?

[dslfam]

Looks pretty good except I would add to the PCT. A long suppressive cycle should have an extensive post cycle. Formastanozol or comparable AI plus some DAA would be good to add in.

Hey Rick,

Would you recommend starting DAA immediately after? Or follow the 2 week protocol for pct?

[RickRock13]

Hey Rick,

Would you recommend starting DAA immediately after? Or follow the 2 week protocol for pct?

I would start DAA the first day of PCT. Some people will even start it the last week of cycle to get it built up first, which isn't a bad idea either