First cycle startin with Helladrol advice please

  1. First cycle startin with Helladrol advice please


    So I just picked up some helladrol on the bogo sale they were having and just wanted to see if my cycle looks alright.
    Hella six weeks @ 50/50/75/75/75/75. What do you guys think about the dosage?
    Cycle support is going to be N2Guard (should I add anything else besides a multi and fish oil?)
    PCT will consist of a SERM (still undecided about which is best) What do you guys think? I was leaning towards Nolva and also some DAA at 3 grams a day and then ive been thinking about HCGenerate at 5 caps a day and lastly FormaStanol 5 pumps in the morning and before bed.


  2. Height, weight, age, and goals?

  3. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    Height, weight, age, and goals?
    would like to also know your workout routine and experience?
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  4. Im getting ready to start my first ph cycle with helladrol... Heres what I have set up... (this is months of research and a lot of information from some very experienced people)

    1 week preload of cycle assist by CEL
    Helladrol 50/75/75/75/75/100
    Cycle assist throughout
    Fish Oil
    Multi
    Whey/Casein
    Taurine if needed

    PCT
    Nolva 20/20/10/10
    DAA
    cycle assist
    lean xtreme (for cortisol)
    pre workout - assault or gamma labs
    whey/casein

    I am starting mine in two weeks... good luck with yours bro... i hear some really good things about it as long as you follow instructions and don't get out of line with your dosage and everything... you know your body better than anyone else... see how it reacts and then go from there... you dont need the forma with the daa btw... nolva and daa is enough... good luck

  5. stats are as follows: 27 yrs old, 5'11" 190 lbs and want to gain some strength and put on some good clean mass.

  6. I have lifted since I was in High school and took a few months off here of there but have really got my routine back to normal and kept it on point

  7. Quote Originally Posted by dylangemelli View Post
    Im getting ready to start my first ph cycle with helladrol... Heres what I have set up... (this is months of research and a lot of information from some very experienced people)

    1 week preload of cycle assist by CEL
    Helladrol 50/75/75/75/75/100
    Cycle assist throughout
    Fish Oil
    Multi
    Whey/Casein
    Taurine if needed

    PCT
    Nolva 20/20/10/10
    DAA
    cycle assist
    lean xtreme (for cortisol)
    pre workout - assault or gamma labs
    whey/casein

    I am starting mine in two weeks... good luck with yours bro... i hear some really good things about it as long as you follow instructions and don't get out of line with your dosage and everything... you know your body better than anyone else... see how it reacts and then go from there... you dont need the forma with the daa btw... nolva and daa is enough... good luck
    this is good, but i'd throw in an AI like erase around week 3 of PCT. helps prevent any estrogen sides as you come off the SERM

  8. My personal run of helladrol was as follows:

    75/75/75/75/100/100
    liver juice 10ml day
    hawthorne berry 1g day

    PCT:
    toremifene 90/60/30/30
    sustain alpha 10ml day
    daa 3g day
    toco-8 2/day
    endoamp max 1/day
    erase 0/0/3/2/2/1

  9. How long do I run erase and what dosage?

  10. You can use any AI, erase is just cheap and effective. I used 3/2/2/1 weeks 3,4,5,6 of the pctz. Don't start until week 3 of your PCT

  11. okay cool thanks... ill definitely look into that... you have any experience with SARMS at all??

  12. It can affect your sight, no way am I touching SARMs anytime soon

  13. Just stick with a SERM. And the AI and test booster like Jamie recommended.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by sailor08 View Post
    Just stick with a SERM. And the AI and test booster like Jamie recommended.
    So in other words just use nolva and ERASE and some daa? And also how long should I run Pct when I run a 6 week cycle?

  15. cool yeah im not going to mess with them either

  16. Anything you guys think I should add or critique about my upcoming cycle? And lastly when I up my hella dose to 75mg when should I take the 3rd dose?

  17. third dose as in 25mg 3 times a day? spacing the dosage?

    not necessary, usually 50mg pre workout like 1-2 hours, and then the other dosage in the morning or afternoon (whenever your other dose isn't') take liver support at night, it can interfere with absorption of hdrol

  18. Yeah I just didn't know if I should take each 25 mg dose at am, lunch and pm. Is it better to take a dose in the am and before workout ?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by nsanegymfreak

    So in other words just use nolva and ERASE and some daa? And also how long should I run Pct when I run a 6 week cycle?
    You could do 6 weeks as follows:
    Nolva 20/20/10/10/0/0
    DAA 3g daily
    Erase 0/0/3/2/2/1
    Cycle assist

    4 weeks would be just fine as well but adding in erase is good for helping while coming off the nolva.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by nsanegymfreak View Post
    Yeah I just didn't know if I should take each 25 mg dose at am, lunch and pm. Is it better to take a dose in the am and before workout ?
    Halo or helladrol has a 16hr halflife. So you take your bigger dose in the am. when taking 75mg, 50mg am 1st thing out of bed, 25mg pre WO. Take liver supports at night, before bed as they interfere with the PH.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by sailor08 View Post
    You could do 6 weeks as follows:
    Nolva 20/20/10/10/0/0
    DAA 3g daily
    Erase 0/0/3/2/2/1
    Cycle assist

    4 weeks would be just fine as well but adding in erase is good for helping while coming off the nolva.
    Ok so if I plan to run HCGenerate when should I start that in PCT? I've heard wait til week 3(but then do I run that for 4 weeks)?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by nsanegymfreak

    Ok so if I plan to run HCGenerate when should I start that in PCT? I've heard wait til week 3(but then do I run that for 4 weeks)?
    IMO I would skip the HCGenerate it's just a fancy test booster and it is pricey. DAA is cheaper and effective. No need for two test boosters. Since it's your first cycle just keep it simple and see how your body reacts while on cycle and during PCT. Good luck to you bro.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by sailor08 View Post
    IMO I would skip the HCGenerate it's just a fancy test booster and it is pricey. DAA is cheaper and effective. No need for two test boosters. Since it's your first cycle just keep it simple and see how your body reacts while on cycle and during PCT. Good luck to you bro.
    agreed

  24. Ok so I will keep it simple and see how this sounds

    6 weeks for Hella @ 50/50/75/75/75/75
    Multi vitamin
    Fish Oil
    N2Guard

    PCT:
    Nolva 20/20/10/10
    DAA 3/3/3/3
    Erase starting in week 3 @ 3/3/2/1
    Should I add anything else?????

  25. Do I need to preload with N2Guard at all or is it unnecessary?

  26. it's kinda expensive to preload n2guard. go buy hawthorne berry and milk thistle and just dose them at like 1g day for 2 weeks leading up

  27. ok sounds good everything else sound legit?

  28. Everything sounds great bro. Just preload like James said and be sure to run a cycle assist or something similar during PCT just like you will on cycle.

  29. so should I just get a double dosage of Cycle Assist by CEL and ditch the N2Guard?

  30. Quote Originally Posted by nsanegymfreak
    so should I just get a double dosage of Cycle Assist by CEL and ditch the N2Guard?
    You can choose either one. Both do the same thing. Just choose one and run it on cycle and post cycle as per directions on the container.

  31. Sounds good, after looking at them both I think I might run the CEL Cycle Assist since its half the price of N2Guard and just get to bottles so I can preload 2 weeks ahead.

  32. Quote Originally Posted by nsanegymfreak
    Sounds good, after looking at them both I think I might run the CEL Cycle Assist since its half the price of N2Guard and just get to bottles so I can preload 2 weeks ahead.
    Good choice.

  33. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    third dose as in 25mg 3 times a day? spacing the dosage?

    not necessary, usually 50mg pre workout like 1-2 hours, and then the other dosage in the morning or afternoon (whenever your other dose isn't') take liver support at night, it can interfere with absorption of hdrol


    So if I am taking a cycle assist with my helladrol, how do you recommend spacing it out...

    im doing 50 the first week, then 74 for 4 weeks and 100 the last week... i have the CEL cycle assist for liver support...

  34. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    It can affect your sight, no way am I touching SARMs anytime soon
    SARMS? or SERMS? whats the difference?

  35. Research. You obviously have a lot to do.

    They're completely different.
  

  
 

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