Users of Superdrol: Have you kept your gains?

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  1. thanks for the advice swollen lol
    if blow was characterized as a guy, consider me a homosexual :)


  2. I've run a few SD pulses and I've kept my gains.

    However, I have about 9 months off between pulses and I lift the same while off or on. Most of the guys that I know who gain big and lose big aren't all the large to start with and have piss poor form.
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  3. I've ran SD twice and kept my gains. Coming off a cycle u really have to eat to maintain the weight you've gained. Also, I don't try and train like I did when I was ON cuz that would definitely b overtraining.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by phatmike0704

    lol ya brah, didnt u read the labels? explosive beastly gains. lemme add real quick, i think i've done 4 or 5 solo runs so it could probably add up to that. SD is the beez kneez, never had to go passed 20mg cuz it adds lbs like crazy but i think thats why my joints are dry. i never used wet compounds
    You're a good example of why oral only cycles are usually for the undereducated and ill-prepared "bodybuilder"... And I use the term bodybuilder generously in this case. If I was 5'4" I would hope to be at least 190ish after that many cycles of ANYTHING hormonal. SD is not the bees knees, it's honestly poison for most people, because no gains can honestly be kept after only 3 weeks. You're gonna lose most of it without test or another hormone ran for a long period of time. You don't really see anyone running anadrol only cycles now do you? There is a reason for this.
    ...GMG760 Version 2.0 ... Back from the dead.

  5. In response to the OP... I'm fairly certain that androcycle.com is a front website for LG Science brand supplements, who market their M1D as a legal alternative to gray market orals. So take what they say with a grain of salt.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Flabby View Post
    In response to the OP... I'm fairly certain that androcycle.com is a front website for LG Science brand supplements, who market their M1D as a legal alternative to gray market orals. So take what they say with a grain of salt.
    Yea... I don't think the LG guys are hiding that androcycle.com is a LG website. I used to rep for LG, they are good people, but yes, there is an incredibly strong agenda behind that site. And no, 5a reduced DHEA isn't going to get you huge.

    As far as quality information goes, it is spread throughout the boards mostly found by wading through pages and pages of broscience and general bullsh*t. You will get the best information from experienced users, chemists, and pharmacists. Most of the time you can learn a lot by reading the "stickies" on the forums. Otherwise it's usually slanted info at best and complete horsepucky at worst. People are going to buy into what they want to buy into, but a simple few facts are this: 1. Muscle can not be put on quickly, even with the use of steroids. It can be achieved quicker with steroids, but it takes at least 2, and probably closer to 4 months of hormonal manipulation to put on any decent amount of maintainable mass. The rest is glycogen/water. 2. You will not grow without a surplus of calories. Calories in must be larger than calories going out to grow, and vice versa for losing weight. Steroids or not, if you burn more calories than you eat, you are not gonna grow. 3. Very few oral steroids can be ran for a long enough period by themselves to get serious gains, and I know this from experience. The only cycles that I have considered worthwhile in the long run out of quite a few PH/DS runs, were all 8 weeks. One was Hdrol/ProDien, the other was Hdrol/OristanA . The first a bulk, the second a cut. The rest I could have done without, and probably should have. Hindsight is 20/20, so like me many of us have ran a bunch of DS/PH junk before we got the balls to inject, and quickly realized we had been f*cking ourselves over for years. I would be probably 230-240 lbs had I ran 4 cycles of injectable gear rather than 4 cycles of legal PH/DS... and my organs would probably be a lot better off. I am in the middle of my third week of Sustanon 300 with a Tbol (40mg ed) kicker and I have never been so strong, felt so good, had a libido like this, or made such amazing esthetic changes to my body before. 8 weeks of Hdrol and ProDienalone (Xtreme Tren) has nothing on my cycle already... and I have 11 1/2 weeks left. Ironically, Steroids are in the long run much cheaper than ProHormones and DS these days, and probably just as easy to get ahold of. Take it with a grain of salt, but if you listen to me, I promise that you will come back to thank me in the future. You're welcome in advance. /rant
    ...GMG760 Version 2.0 ... Back from the dead.

  7. on my last 2 SD cycles... gained about 15lbs eating relatively clean, kept about 12 in PCT... kept roughly same weight through the "off" period, and during my cut, lost most of it. I'd say that I lost about 50% fat, and 50% SD gains during the cut. I just did a pulse w/ SD and gained about 8lbs on a 7wk pulse after PCT. I definitely agree that the longer you run something, the more stable your gains will be. Aslo, running a DS is damn expensive w/ all the ancilliaries you need to take. PCT is the same as a pinned cycle, but support supps are pricey!!

    Properly done, I'd say that you could keep about 50% of your gains.

    However, I kept most of the strength I got while on. which is a good thing.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by GMG760 View Post
    Yea... I don't think the LG guys are hiding that androcycle.com is a LG website. I used to rep for LG, they are good people, but yes, there is an incredibly strong agenda behind that site. And no, 5a reduced DHEA isn't going to get you huge.

    As far as quality information goes, it is spread throughout the boards mostly found by wading through pages and pages of broscience and general bullsh*t. You will get the best information from experienced users, chemists, and pharmacists. Most of the time you can learn a lot by reading the "stickies" on the forums. Otherwise it's usually slanted info at best and complete horsepucky at worst. People are going to buy into what they want to buy into, but a simple few facts are this: 1. Muscle can not be put on quickly, even with the use of steroids. It can be achieved quicker with steroids, but it takes at least 2, and probably closer to 4 months of hormonal manipulation to put on any decent amount of maintainable mass. The rest is glycogen/water. 2. You will not grow without a surplus of calories. Calories in must be larger than calories going out to grow, and vice versa for losing weight. Steroids or not, if you burn more calories than you eat, you are not gonna grow. 3. Very few oral steroids can be ran for a long enough period by themselves to get serious gains, and I know this from experience. The only cycles that I have considered worthwhile in the long run out of quite a few PH/DS runs, were all 8 weeks. One was Hdrol/ProDien, the other was Hdrol/OristanA . The first a bulk, the second a cut. The rest I could have done without, and probably should have. Hindsight is 20/20, so like me many of us have ran a bunch of DS/PH junk before we got the balls to inject, and quickly realized we had been f*cking ourselves over for years. I would be probably 230-240 lbs had I ran 4 cycles of injectable gear rather than 4 cycles of legal PH/DS... and my organs would probably be a lot better off. I am in the middle of my third week of Sustanon 300 with a Tbol (40mg ed) kicker and I have never been so strong, felt so good, had a libido like this, or made such amazing esthetic changes to my body before. 8 weeks of Hdrol and ProDienalone (Xtreme Tren) has nothing on my cycle already... and I have 11 1/2 weeks left. Ironically, Steroids are in the long run much cheaper than ProHormones and DS these days, and probably just as easy to get ahold of. Take it with a grain of salt, but if you listen to me, I promise that you will come back to thank me in the future. You're welcome in advance. /rant
    Just had to say - very well put bro... almost wish your rant could become a sticky. You pretty much hit the ball out of the park with your direct, no B.S. analysis. Anyone considering any type of PH run should read this first.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by GMG760 View Post
    Yea... I don't think the LG guys are hiding that androcycle.com is a LG website. I used to rep for LG, they are good people, but yes, there is an incredibly strong agenda behind that site. And no, 5a reduced DHEA isn't going to get you huge.

    As far as quality information goes, it is spread throughout the boards mostly found by wading through pages and pages of broscience and general bullsh*t. You will get the best information from experienced users, chemists, and pharmacists. Most of the time you can learn a lot by reading the "stickies" on the forums. Otherwise it's usually slanted info at best and complete horsepucky at worst. People are going to buy into what they want to buy into, but a simple few facts are this: 1. Muscle can not be put on quickly, even with the use of steroids. It can be achieved quicker with steroids, but it takes at least 2, and probably closer to 4 months of hormonal manipulation to put on any decent amount of maintainable mass. The rest is glycogen/water. 2. You will not grow without a surplus of calories. Calories in must be larger than calories going out to grow, and vice versa for losing weight. Steroids or not, if you burn more calories than you eat, you are not gonna grow. 3. Very few oral steroids can be ran for a long enough period by themselves to get serious gains, and I know this from experience. The only cycles that I have considered worthwhile in the long run out of quite a few PH/DS runs, were all 8 weeks. One was Hdrol/ProDien, the other was Hdrol/OristanA . The first a bulk, the second a cut. The rest I could have done without, and probably should have. Hindsight is 20/20, so like me many of us have ran a bunch of DS/PH junk before we got the balls to inject, and quickly realized we had been f*cking ourselves over for years. I would be probably 230-240 lbs had I ran 4 cycles of injectable gear rather than 4 cycles of legal PH/DS... and my organs would probably be a lot better off. I am in the middle of my third week of Sustanon 300 with a Tbol (40mg ed) kicker and I have never been so strong, felt so good, had a libido like this, or made such amazing esthetic changes to my body before. 8 weeks of Hdrol and ProDienalone (Xtreme Tren) has nothing on my cycle already... and I have 11 1/2 weeks left. Ironically, Steroids are in the long run much cheaper than ProHormones and DS these days, and probably just as easy to get ahold of. Take it with a grain of salt, but if you listen to me, I promise that you will come back to thank me in the future. You're welcome in advance. /rant

    Sadly, I am coming to believe the above is true from my experience, observations and monitoring my cycles.

    About the “glycogen/water” I have observed this and I even purchased an electric Body-Fat/Muscle-Mass Scale to monitor what was going on.
    It would be quite frustrating to put on 10 to 15 lbs during a cycle and end up after the first 2 weeks of PCT around the same weight. I would think what the crap I am doing wrong.

    Using the electric Body-Fat/Muscle-Mass Scale my last pulse(30mg SD EOD) I observed that during the first 2 weeks I put on 11 pounds!!! (I did not look any fatter, I looked pumped!!!)
    Of this it stated: 5 lbs increase in BF, 4 lbs increase in water, 2 lbs increase in muscle mass.

    I totally believe this was all the “rapid uptake of water and glycogen into your muscles” confusing the crap out of the electric Body-Fat/Muscle-Mass Scale.

    But I can say after all was completed my body physique would improve quite dramatically. Then again I was not in as great of shape as many of the board members are in when I started.

    Since I have a stock on hand of SD and other PH/DS I have been considering a very low dosage combination and extending a pulse cycle out to 10 to 12 weeks.
    I am only considering this experimentation because I already purchased the SD and other PH/DS.

    All in all, I can also say the SD has helped quite a bit. Just not the pipe dreams that I had reading about it.

    The bottom line is I am coming to the realization what board member “GMG760” is posting is sadly true.
    “Just be advised that the above information posted is not medical advice and should only be used for fun and entertainment.”

  10. Middleageguy your totally right I experienced the same thing with SD. When I would gain 20 pounds and after my pct I realized I only gained about 8 pounds of muscle mass. Everything else is just glycogen/water. What I am also going to do is run a low dose of SD(10 mg) a day for 8 weeks.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed
    Middleageguy your totally right I experienced the same thing with SD. When I would gain 20 pounds and after my pct I realized I only gained about 8 pounds of muscle mass. Everything else is just glycogen/water. What I am also going to do is run a low dose of SD(10 mg) a day for 8 weeks.
    Uhhhh sd is dry, unlike dbol. I don't see how you could get 12 pounds of water and only 8 of real mass. My last sd cycle I gained 13 pounds and gained a bit more in pct, did not lose an ounce. I don't bloated or fat either. It's been a while since that cycle and I still have all the mass.

    If you are smart when cycling you should lose 5 pounds in pct at the MAXIMUM. This is my opinion though. You can take it like a grain of sand
    Getting back into the swing of things

  12. I should've phrased that differently. No I didn't bloat but a lot of the gains were just glycogen and intracellular water retention. That is what gives u that very full look to your muscles. I do proper pct protocol so I don't lose my gains but of course your going to lose that intracellular water in the muscle.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by boskers22 View Post
    gained around 17-18 pounds in 30 days, only lost 2-3 pounds so far 2 weeks into pct
    figured ide update this. managed to keep 12 pounds of the 17-18 i put on(eating less then on cycle and still easily holding the weight). def the best oral i've ran. libido was low up to 3 weeks on pct though wish i added daa, will so in the future.

  14. Even if it is glycogen and water, the glycogen is the fuel reserve for the body. Your brain needs glucose and gets it from fat and glycogen when in a starved state and the brain has priority. If the brain needs glucose and there is no intake (6-8 hrs) it will get it from the glycogen in your liver(small reserve), then adipose tissue (fat)and finally muscle tissue. In my head which could be wrong but it is a theory I have. If you can keep your glycogen store up the less likely your body will break down muscle tissue to give glucose to the brain. So even if the glycogen isn't muscle tissue, its a great reserve to have and if you continue to eat and train hard the glycogen should be supportive.

    My question would be if you had M1T in one hand and SD in another which one would you choose?

  15. That is a good point GetBent that glycogen is needed. I should've been more clear in my post. When I ran SD at that time I was also rebounding from a competition so I was very bloated from the great increase in carbs. It was hard to assess the amount of muscle I had put on because the bloat was so bad. And also rebounding is unpredictable so I could not give that cycle a fair analysis.

  16. I have not had the opportunity to try M1T. If you've tried it, what was your experience from it GetBent?

  17. I stopped after ten days because my school work was getting in the way of GYM time. I am 37 by the way and in PA school. However at that ten day mark I was noticing the effects big time. I was shoveling in food and still cutting and just starting to bulk. The first 5 days were rough but as my body got used it I was fine. I have three weeks off of school in Dec so I am going to pick it back up then when I can live in the GYM and not be hurting my school work because I am pinging at my computer. Trying to learn EKG and cardiology when you are recovering from the gym or just want to go to the gym is tough Ill let you know how it goes!

  18. Most def i'd appreciate it bro. I doubt I'll b able to get my hands on it though. The next best thing would b trying Alpha One. I love running SD at a low dose only 10 mg versus 30 mg. I respond to SD very well anyway and when I use a high dose the back pumps and lethargy just make me feel like crap. How did u like M1T compared to SD?

  19. Never tried SD thats why I asked, instead of getting my supps from the UK if I can get something just as good here I would. I like
    Anabolic Pharmaceutticals and Stealth Labz but my favorite is prohormes biz. Put a dot between the words!

  20. Well u can find several Superdrol clones so your in luck. Mastavol was my favorite though out of all the SD products, too bad its super hard to find anymore not to mention like $100 when I did find it.

  21. Did not put on 25lbs like everyone wants, really had more of a transformation, say a physique recompositioning: Link to progress---:> 3 SuperDrol Pulses Later : Compare Feb 2011 - Feb 2012
    “Just be advised that the above information posted is not medical advice and should only be used for fun and entertainment.”

  22. Quote Originally Posted by phatmike0704 View Post
    i've ran many cycles of sd, most gains were between those numbers
    So, you are up 50-80lbs then since you started?

  23. Ran a 4 week cycle of sd (transform) 20/20/30/30. Up 25 pounds. A week into pct and have only dropped 1 pound. I'm eating like I did on cycle. Training wise instead of wrecking my muscles I'm just stimulating them with less weight but higher reps. Went to a 4-3 split and upping my protein a lil more. Deloading :-) don't go to failure. Your body can't recover like it did on the goodies so don't overtrain. Work back intensity after 2 weeks
    Purus Labs Anabolic Titan/Rep
    Coach AB @ BossBody.net
    Puruslabs.net

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    Ran a 4 week cycle of sd (transform) 20/20/30/30. Up 25 pounds. A week into pct and have only dropped 1 pound. I'm eating like I did on cycle. Training wise instead of wrecking my muscles I'm just stimulating them with less weight but higher reps. Went to a 4-3 split and upping my protein a lil more. Deloading :-) don't go to failure. Your body can't recover like it did on the goodies so don't overtrain. Work back intensity after 2 weeks
    deff a good idea to deload first two weeks I agree youll lose more if you go too hard with super low androgen levels

  25. That and you want to keep that cortisol away
    Purus Labs Anabolic Titan/Rep
    Coach AB @ BossBody.net
    Puruslabs.net

  26. Gains and anabolics ...

    I was in the gyms back in the day when guys did nothing but inject and didn't do a PCT at all. I stayed "natural" until I was 48 years old - I just didn't want to get involved in what they were going through - because it didn't look fun.

    When you say "keep the gains" ... it's important to decide what kind of time frame you're talking about.

    Keep the gains until the next cycle starts? Totally doable and THAT is how most guys do it - by continuously cycling on and off AAS because - if they don't, their body reverts to it's natural form ... but they're still going to be carrying the baggage of all those "hits" to their HPTA from the steroid cycles though.

    And this is why I don't hit any compound hard enough to shut me down. Due to my job - I travel a lot and occasionally I might find myself stranded in a hell hole for 30 days with no gym in sight. I'll do cardio - lose a ton of muscle - come back to Mrs. Honda looking like a ripped Lance Armstrong and I get back into the gym and rebuild all that ****.

    Once you get on the AAS roller-coaster - well, you need to figure out how long you're going to be on it before you jump off - and you need a plan for jumping off.

    By the way - I would say that most of the guys that did AAS back in the 70's that I knew ... they still look pretty good and are off the gear. They are NOT however, the monsters they used to be. That's okay though. At least they were smart enough to figure out how to jump off the roller coaster.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by HondaV65
    Gains and anabolics ...

    I was in the gyms back in the day when guys did nothing but inject and didn't do a PCT at all. I stayed "natural" until I was 48 years old - I just didn't want to get involved in what they were going through - because it didn't look fun.

    When you say "keep the gains" ... it's important to decide what kind of time frame you're talking about.

    Keep the gains until the next cycle starts? Totally doable and THAT is how most guys do it - by continuously cycling on and off AAS because - if they don't, their body reverts to it's natural form ... but they're still going to be carrying the baggage of all those "hits" to their HPTA from the steroid cycles though.

    And this is why I don't hit any compound hard enough to shut me down. Due to my job - I travel a lot and occasionally I might find myself stranded in a hell hole for 30 days with no gym in sight. I'll do cardio - lose a ton of muscle - come back to Mrs. Honda looking like a ripped Lance Armstrong and I get back into the gym and rebuild all that ****.

    Once you get on the AAS roller-coaster - well, you need to figure out how long you're going to be on it before you jump off - and you need a plan for jumping off.

    By the way - I would say that most of the guys that did AAS back in the 70's that I knew ... they still look pretty good and are off the gear. They are NOT however, the monsters they used to be. That's okay though. At least they were smart enough to figure out how to jump off the roller coaster.
    U make a good point. Its important not to completely shut yourself down in order to help keep gains. This means hard and long cycles r out of the question, shorter more mild cycles would prove to b better. Just think about it, doing only 2 8-10 week cycles a year and putting on 15-20 pounds is amazing, especially lean gains which is achieveable.
  28. PCT is not the time to push your body to do *anything* besides recover.


    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    Ran a 4 week cycle of sd (transform) 20/20/30/30. Up 25 pounds. A week into pct and have only dropped 1 pound. I'm eating like I did on cycle. Training wise instead of wrecking my muscles I'm just stimulating them with less weight but higher reps. Went to a 4-3 split and upping my protein a lil more. Deloading :-) don't go to failure. Your body can't recover like it did on the goodies so don't overtrain. Work back intensity after 2 weeks
    Link --:> http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html

    The below is an excerpt from ManBeast's above thread "PCT: What, Why, and How!".
    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post

    Finally we get to training and eating during PCT. This is where a lot of people mess up. They've just finished up a bulker and want to immediately get rid of the extra bits of fat they've accumulated, so they drastically cut calories and start doing stupid-crazy amounts of cardio, and then wonder where their gains have gone by the time they finish PCT.


    If you haven't been able to surmise by now, PCT is not the time to push your body to do *anything* besides recover. Calories should be no lower than maintenance, cardio should be very mild (and for health only, not fat destruction), and weight training should be mild. When it comes to these aspects, it really is that simple.

    ManBeast
    “Just be advised that the above information posted is not medical advice and should only be used for fun and entertainment.”

  29. I would disagree. I do longer cycles 12-20 weeks and my body adjusts to the new weight gain so in pct i can in theory hold the weight. When ur equilibrium is 185 lbs and u gain 20lbs and go up to 205 in 3-4 weeks asking your body to hold that is very difficult which is why we see the "superdrol ten" where people lose weight as fast as they put it on. You are going to be just as shutdown from a month of SD as 12 weeks of test, after a certain point u are mostly shutdown so if you are gonna shutdown in 3 weeks you might as well ride it out and get as much as u can out of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    U make a good point. Its important not to completely shut yourself down in order to help keep gains. This means hard and long cycles r out of the question, shorter more mild cycles would prove to b better. Just think about it, doing only 2 8-10 week cycles a year and putting on 15-20 pounds is amazing, especially lean gains which is achieveable.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Husker89
    I would disagree. I do longer cycles 12-20 weeks and my body adjusts to the new weight gain so in pct i can in theory hold the weight. When ur equilibrium is 185 lbs and u gain 20lbs and go up to 205 in 3-4 weeks asking your body to hold that is very difficult which is why we see the "superdrol ten" where people lose weight as fast as they put it on. You are going to be just as shutdown from a month of SD as 12 weeks of test, after a certain point u are mostly shutdown so if you are gonna shutdown in 3 weeks you might as well ride it out and get as much as u can out of it.
    I agree. That is why I said milder though, an SD cycle IMO i consider that a blast. I'm talking about slower gradual gains, seeing I don't use high doses a 10 pound gain in 8 weeks is probly keepable. Lol I think we're getting at the same point.
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