DIENOLONE GYNO HELP (need clarification)

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by heebs10 View Post
    im glad to here it worked well for you and that you didnt get any rebound. i have been using TD form for about a week now while i was waiting to get my letro (started TD form and nolva when i first felt sensitivity about a week ago but at that point it was already pretty late since there was already a good sized lump that i somehow didnt notice developing earlier) anyways, i just got my letro and started it last night. the form hasnt helped with the lump at, at least from what i can tell anyways. it seems to help reduce the puffiness temporarily but begins to become puffy again towards the end of the day. i also was using some ATD that i had lying around because my form is a few years old and i wasn't sure if it had degraded at all. i also got some caber when i bought my letro but im not sure if i should use it/need it. i got my chems from IP (formerly IR) so i think they have a pretty good reputation of having legit chems, i hope.

    did you initially have puffiness in addition to the lump, BWG? and if you did, did that resolve as well?

    thanks for the help so far.

    if anyone else has any input or advise, i would appreciate your wisdom.
    erase didnt do the trick for me and i used forkslin in pct and also drank and played with my nips. all create estrogen. i also used a sh!t natty testbooster herb **** that made it worse with forkslin from bioforge. i kept playing withthe nips and that whats made them bad.

    letro helped really well then as you said with form and letro got puffy towards the end of the day. got puffy but lump smaller so i jsut decided to taper off. they came back to normal 2 weeks after that. get some p5p and l-dopa just incase because playing with them can release prolactin. they will be puffy till your body mellows out, worry about the lump. puffyness comes with time and being on nothing.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by heebs10 View Post
    im glad to here it worked well for you and that you didnt get any rebound. i have been using TD form for about a week now while i was waiting to get my letro (started TD form and nolva when i first felt sensitivity about a week ago but at that point it was already pretty late since there was already a good sized lump that i somehow didnt notice developing earlier) anyways, i just got my letro and started it last night. the form hasnt helped with the lump at, at least from what i can tell anyways. it seems to help reduce the puffiness temporarily but begins to become puffy again towards the end of the day. i also was using some ATD that i had lying around because my form is a few years old and i wasn't sure if it had degraded at all. i also got some caber when i bought my letro but im not sure if i should use it/need it. i got my chems from IP (formerly IR) so i think they have a pretty good reputation of having legit chems, i hope.

    did you initially have puffiness in addition to the lump, BWG? and if you did, did that resolve as well?

    thanks for the help so far.

    if anyone else has any input or advise, i would appreciate your wisdom.
    a couple of thing bro...

    I have personally used ATD with stellar results regarding gyno reduction, but be warned, it crushes your Est levels and therefore your libido will likely suffer.... unless your est levels are just outta control, then it may even raise your libido as it brings it down to optimal levels...

    Your Form should be fine... no matter how old it is, it will still be fairly effective as long as it hasnt crashed outta solution and wont go back in after reheating and shaking...

    Lastly... I love IP... I used them for years... but more and more things are beginning to have me question their legitimacy on all products, one being the testing of their peptides and finding out they werent as they said... who knows where this leaves their RC's for estrogen control, but I wouldnt risk it... never had the same results from the last 3 bottles of Torem as I did from the very first bottle I got from them when they first started offering it...

    BUT if your getting puffy nips while on letro by the end of a day... your letro is bunk bro... cause it has a LOOOONG half life... something between 36-72hours I think... I gotta look it up again but its LONG and shouldnt see fluxuations within a day...

    Are you taking anything for prolactin as well?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    a couple of thing bro...

    I have personally used ATD with stellar results regarding gyno reduction, but be warned, it crushes your Est levels and therefore your libido will likely suffer.... unless your est levels are just outta control, then it may even raise your libido as it brings it down to optimal levels...

    Your Form should be fine... no matter how old it is, it will still be fairly effective as long as it hasnt crashed outta solution and wont go back in after reheating and shaking...

    Lastly... I love IP... I used them for years... but more and more things are beginning to have me question their legitimacy on all products, one being the testing of their peptides and finding out they werent as they said... who knows where this leaves their RC's for estrogen control, but I wouldnt risk it... never had the same results from the last 3 bottles of Torem as I did from the very first bottle I got from them when they first started offering it...

    BUT if your getting puffy nips while on letro by the end of a day... your letro is bunk bro... cause it has a LOOOONG half life... something between 36-72hours I think... I gotta look it up again but its LONG and shouldnt see fluxuations within a day...

    Are you taking anything for prolactin as well?
    first of all, thanks again for the help bigwhite and Sour!

    idk if my ATD has been helping, but like i said, the form seemed to help with the puffyness for the majority of the day but comes back towards the evening. and yes, the form does still seem to be effective. as for the letro, it may be to soon to tell if its helping as i have only been on it 2 days now and i have been tapering up, so im only at about 1mg so far. also, i still used form the first day i took the letro, as i read that you should still use your anti-e the first day of letro. and your right about the long half-life, i think its like 48 hours roughly.

    your saying that you no longer trust IP's chems anymore? ...dam.. it was really cheap compared to other RC sites, so maybe it is bunk.

    also, i took 0.5 mg of caber (also from IP) monday night. it also has a super long half life so i was thinking i would use it every 3rd day? think caber is to much? should i use vitex or some sort of L-dopa instead?
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  4. also, low/no libido sucks but if i have to suffer with gyno, she can suffer with not getting my D for a little bit. if i have to sacrifice libido temporarily in order to get the most effective treatment, its worth it.
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  5. bigwhite, what company was the form from that you used?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by heebs10 View Post
    bigwhite, what company was the form from that you used?
    C.E.L. got it dirt cheap dude like 21.95 so i got 4 of them.

    i didnt feel letro till 1.5 but main 2.0 and i did 10 days at 2.5. libido hurt.

    I know nothing about caber expect its not stable in liquid form????

    p5p and L-dopa are good. just make sure you have a really empty stomach with L-dopa it abosrbs sh!tty. Even a whey shake can F it up. do it right before bed and do a shake 1 and 15 mins before with NO CARBS.

    Do not play with nips.

    Form was good and you will get a lil puffy after the letro and form. estro gets higher at night. you can break up your dose but i would just wait out til lyour body gets back to normal. maybe get some I3C 200-400 a day and resveratral 600-900 a day later on like end of form. i did 150/100/50/50 or form. letro about 2-3 days over lap of form.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    C.E.L. got it dirt cheap dude like 21.95 so i got 4 of them.

    i didnt feel letro till 1.5 but main 2.0 and i did 10 days at 2.5. libido hurt.

    I know nothing about caber expect its not stable in liquid form????

    p5p and L-dopa are good. just make sure you have a really empty stomach with L-dopa it abosrbs sh!tty. Even a whey shake can F it up. do it right before bed and do a shake 1 and 15 mins before with NO CARBS.

    Do not play with nips.

    Form was good and you will get a lil puffy after the letro and form. estro gets higher at night. you can break up your dose but i would just wait out til lyour body gets back to normal. maybe get some I3C 200-400 a day and resveratral 600-900 a day later on like end of form. i did 150/100/50/50 or form. letro about 2-3 days over lap of form.
    thanks for the help bro. looks like CEL stopped making their TD form but theres still a little out there. im all out of my form so i guess im gonna pick up some of that for after the letro. i also picked up another bottle of letro from a different source since it sounds like IP may not be the same quality as they used to. this new Solution of letro should be of high Purity, if you catch my drift. man, i really hope this works.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by heebs10 View Post
    thanks for the help bro. looks like CEL stopped making their TD form but theres still a little out there. im all out of my form so i guess im gonna pick up some of that for after the letro. i also picked up another bottle of letro from a different source since it sounds like IP may not be the same quality as they used to. this new Solution of letro should be of high Purity, if you catch my drift. man, i really hope this works.
    I am always so paranoid about resource chems every cycle i buy two serms. 1 at one place 1 from another. this time i had a bottle of clomid on hand and a bottle of nolva on hand so i just bought torem. my nolva is g2g, my clomid is underdosed but works so so, trying out Torem from a legit place, sh!t was 80$ but a huge bottle.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    I am always so paranoid about resource chems every cycle i buy two serms. 1 at one place 1 from another. this time i had a bottle of clomid on hand and a bottle of nolva on hand so i just bought torem. my nolva is g2g, my clomid is underdosed but works so so, trying out Torem from a legit place, sh!t was 80$ but a huge bottle.
    yeah, good technique dude. better safe then sorry. $80 for torem... thats a ton! i think i know where you got it and it seems like a legit source
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by heebs10 View Post
    yeah, good technique dude. better safe then sorry. $80 for torem... thats a ton! i think i know where you got it and it seems like a legit source
    the world would be so much easier if we could talk about sources on here. i really do not see the reason why. the Feds have google to you know hahaa

  11. Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    the world would be so much easier if we could talk about sources on here. i really do not see the reason why. the Feds have google to you know hahaa
    lol so true!

    so i have been on letro for a week now and im not sure if theres much improvement. there might be a little reduction in size and it may be a little softer but its hard to tell. i also try to touch it as little as possible so i havent gave it a real good examination really. nipples are kinda puffy right when i wake up in the morning but are normal by the time im outta the shower, which is the first thing i do after i wake up. they stay pretty normal through the day ten get kinda puffy again in the evening. not sure if its due to hormone fluctuations throughout the day or it could actually be a temperature thing idk. libido is surprisingly decent. it was nonexistant the first few days but sorta came back after that, so thats kinda nice. even though it doesnt really hurt, it drives me nuts when something bumps into my titties lol, i guess because i can feel the lumps and i dont want anything to "stimulate" them and make it worse.

    did you experience anything like this? (particularly pertaining to puffyness fluctuations and slow/minimal reduction in lump size at first when you were on letro)
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by heebs10 View Post
    lol so true!

    so i have been on letro for a week now and im not sure if theres much improvement. there might be a little reduction in size and it may be a little softer but its hard to tell. i also try to touch it as little as possible so i havent gave it a real good examination really. nipples are kinda puffy right when i wake up in the morning but are normal by the time im outta the shower, which is the first thing i do after i wake up. they stay pretty normal through the day ten get kinda puffy again in the evening. not sure if its due to hormone fluctuations throughout the day or it could actually be a temperature thing idk. libido is surprisingly decent. it was nonexistant the first few days but sorta came back after that, so thats kinda nice. even though it doesnt really hurt, it drives me nuts when something bumps into my titties lol, i guess because i can feel the lumps and i dont want anything to "stimulate" them and make it worse.

    did you experience anything like this? (particularly pertaining to puffyness fluctuations and slow/minimal reduction in lump size at first when you were on letro)
    everything you just stated is 100% dead on exactly. stay at 2.5 for another 10 days then start dropping. add form is with 1-2 days left at about .75 letro then .5

  13. Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    everything you just stated is 100% dead on exactly. stay at 2.5 for another 10 days then start dropping. add form is with 1-2 days left at about .75 letro then .5
    thanks big, its very reassuring to hear that.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by heebs10 View Post
    thanks big, its very reassuring to hear that.
    you just gotta play the waiting game. 2 weeks after my form is when mu puffness went away. not that puffy to begin with though. i am running dzine right now at 45 mg and my little gyno i had is gone. i feel about 3 weeks into the dzine its gone. I hear the andro hard stuff is a good PH for getting rid of gyno. try that out next for a nice light cycle for a summer cut.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    you just gotta play the waiting game. 2 weeks after my form is when mu puffness went away. not that puffy to begin with though. i am running dzine right now at 45 mg and my little gyno i had is gone. i feel about 3 weeks into the dzine its gone. I hear the andro hard stuff is a good PH for getting rid of gyno. try that out next for a nice light cycle for a summer cut.
    yeah i have been researching AH and similar DHT related hormones a lot lately. i was tossing around the idea of using something along the lines of AH while tapering off letro in hopes of further reduction but mostly to minimize the possibility of rebound
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by heebs10 View Post
    yeah i have been researching AH and similar DHT related hormones a lot lately. i was tossing around the idea of using something along the lines of AH while tapering off letro in hopes of further reduction but mostly to minimize the possibility of rebound
    instead i think you need to get to baseline for awhile and cruise there. let everything mellow out. run the androhard in feb-march

  17. I just ran across this thread, and I thought I'd chime in. I've had great results with a combination of curcumin/formestane dissolved in oil, and taken orally. I was able to see a difference in days. Since formestane is an anti-progesterone as well- it would be your best bet... If you can find it Also, you might want to look into raloxifene. It's been shown to be more effective in treating gyno than nolva. I apologize if this information was already discussed in this thread, as I'm too lazy to read through it.

  18. this thread is entertaining.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    this thread is entertaining.
    hah!
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