DIENOLONE GYNO HELP (need clarification)

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  1. thats solid advice... I def prefer the strength of the Pharm grade AI's but the OTC suicide AI's make it impossible to have a sudden rebound of unbound estrogen... Form it up as you come of letro
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  2. Other things may work fine. I never tried anything except Formestane.
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  3. i got rebound from Erase....just sayin.

    Did not get rebound from ATD, 6 oxo and of course my lovely Form.

    When it came to performance Erase however did give me best strength, libido , and leaness but didnt do to estro what i needed it to. Many and I mean many people have used Erase with excellent success but Form has years of research.

  4. some GREAT advice throughout...thanks to everyone..

    Just a small update. Still haven't recieved my l-dopa, but after 2 days on letro, and a couple weeks on P5P, i've already noticed a significant decrease in the lump size. The pain has lessened as well.
    -It's not about what you're doing, it's about how you're doing it.

  5. honestly you know what helped remove the pain more then anything for me??? DHT based compounds... i ran some transdermal 3aa this summer and it did wonders for reducing the size and pain...
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    honestly you know what helped remove the pain more then anything for me??? DHT based compounds... i ran some transdermal 3aa this summer and it did wonders for reducing the size and pain...
    Androhard V II does this amazing I hear.

  7. 808rebel
    How are you dosing the letro and p5p?
    I'm currently running epi/11sterone going into my 3rd week got some sensitivity to the nipples and a hard lump....this sucks

  8. Quote Originally Posted by newbie96 View Post
    808rebel
    How are you dosing the letro and p5p?
    I'm currently running epi/11sterone going into my 3rd week got some sensitivity to the nipples and a hard lump....this sucks
    what the! cant believe you got gyno from those. they supress estro. Thats odd, get blood work. but dose letro like this

    day 1 1.0mg
    day 2 1.5mg
    day3. 2.0
    and if stay at 2.0 or bump and stay at 2.5 and stay at that for a week after it goes away or gets tiny.

    BUT if you take letro on cycle you will want to use a much lower dose. 1, 1.25. usually.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29

    what the! cant believe you got gyno from those. they supress estro. Thats odd, get blood work. but dose letro like this

    day 1 1.0mg
    day 2 1.5mg
    day3. 2.0
    and if stay at 2.0 or bump and stay at 2.5 and stay at that for a week after it goes away or gets tiny.

    BUT if you take letro on cycle you will want to use a much lower dose. 1, 1.25. usually.
    I know....didn't see that coming. I felt some sensitivity about 4 days ago. I had read that sensitivity/puffy nipples is normal on epi so I didn't think anything of it. Then last night I felt the lump.

    I'm waiting for letro to arrive, I've got liquid tamoxifen on hand. Should I start dosing the tamox now? What dosage?

    Thanks, again.

  10. i've got NOW P5P and Im taking 2 caps AM, 2 caps PM. I Was taking 4AM and 4 PM, but decided to tone it down and be more conventional, vs. going overkill.

    For the Letro, I didn't realize I shouldve tapered up. I started at 2mg and have stayed at that.
    -It's not about what you're doing, it's about how you're doing it.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by newbie96 View Post
    I know....didn't see that coming. I felt some sensitivity about 4 days ago. I had read that sensitivity/puffy nipples is normal on epi so I didn't think anything of it. Then last night I felt the lump.

    I'm waiting for letro to arrive, I've got liquid tamoxifen on hand. Should I start dosing the tamox now? What dosage?

    Thanks, again.
    what brand of epi was this???
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough

    what brand of epi was this???
    IBE. I'm wondering if the 11 sterone may have antagonized the issue, I've been dosing it at 900 mg. from what I've read, at that dosage it turns into testosterone so maybe the higher I flux of test brought on some higher estrogen too. Dunno. I need to do some blood work.

  13. i would consider that more likely then anything else... I actually took IBE Epi standalone and saw a small reduction in my gyno... so its surprising to me to see otherwise...
    I didnt know 11-oxo had any conversion to test! Is there any articles or threads on this?
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough
    i would consider that more likely then anything else... I actually took IBE Epi standalone and saw a small reduction in my gyno... so its surprising to me to see otherwise...
    I didnt know 11-oxo had any conversion to test! Is there any articles or threads on this?
    I'm sorry, I mean it converts to 11keto-testosterone. I'll see if I can find some articles.

  15. ok... that I know... can 11-keto test aromatize?
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    ok... that I know... can 11-keto test aromatize?
    No, 11-keto test does not aromatize and from the research I've done, epistane acst as an ai. So, I don't understand what is going on.

  17. i wouldnt take the nolva till later.

  18. certainly odd to me as well...




    maybe its not really gyno??? but youve felt a lump, not just puffy nips right???
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  19. **** can get real weird. ive had puffy nips no lump, non puffy lil lump, both at same time, something i thought was a lump not a lump. Letro cleared it up for me faster than hell. then i used Formestane to come off the letro.

  20. good to know. letro is working wonders for me as well.

    Pain is almost GONE. Lump is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller, went from pea sized to about 1/4th or 1/5th of the size. almost cant find it now. And it's been less than a week.
    -It's not about what you're doing, it's about how you're doing it.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    certainly odd to me as well...




    maybe its not really gyno??? but youve felt a lump, not just puffy nips right???
    Yeah, the lump is there nips not really puffy, just sensitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    **** can get real weird. ive had puffy nips no lump, non puffy lil lump, both at same time, something i thought was a lump not a lump. Letro cleared it up for me faster than hell. then i used Formestane to come off the letro.
    That's good to know, kind of reassuring. how did you dose the formestane?

    Quote Originally Posted by 808rebel View Post
    good to know. letro is working wonders for me as well.

    Pain is almost GONE. Lump is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller, went from pea sized to about 1/4th or 1/5th of the size. almost cant find it now. And it's been less than a week.
    My pain is reducing, however, the lump is still there and I have sensitivity to my nipple area and just below the nipple area right at the top abdomen area. I'm glad Letro is working for you, i'm still waiting for letro to arrive

    thank you everyone for the help.

  22. Ill jsut tell you the whole story.

    Ran a high dose Pmag and Furuza cycle 6 weeks, Clomid pct with erase. I started Erase too early and i had high Serum levels off the clomid and also used Forkslin which caused estro issues in PCT. i went back on Erase and it helped but I still got rebound again. i started playing and feeling my nip glands too often and pinching them to see if it was there. caused big time irritation. so dont do this!

    to fix it i got letro went day by day 1.0 1.25 1.50. 1.75. 2.0 by the time i got just a few days in it already started to help big time. then i went to 2.5 for about 15 days and back down to 2.0 for 5 days then dropped it day by day .5 less each day at .5 i started formestane (topical from CEL) 150mg for 5 days, 100mg for 10 days and 50mg for like 10 days. i only have a tiny bit left. i also weight 240 and have a little high body fat over 15% i think. 100mg would be sufficent. i honestly felt the form did great.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    Ill jsut tell you the whole story.

    Ran a high dose Pmag and Furuza cycle 6 weeks, Clomid pct with erase. I started Erase too early and i had high Serum levels off the clomid and also used Forkslin which caused estro issues in PCT. i went back on Erase and it helped but I still got rebound again. i started playing and feeling my nip glands too often and pinching them to see if it was there. caused big time irritation. so dont do this!

    to fix it i got letro went day by day 1.0 1.25 1.50. 1.75. 2.0 by the time i got just a few days in it already started to help big time. then i went to 2.5 for about 15 days and back down to 2.0 for 5 days then dropped it day by day .5 less each day at .5 i started formestane (topical from CEL) 150mg for 5 days, 100mg for 10 days and 50mg for like 10 days. i only have a tiny bit left. i also weight 240 and have a little high body fat over 15% i think. 100mg would be sufficent. i honestly felt the form did great.
    Bigwhiteguy, thank you very much for sharing. That is a great help to my decisioin on what to run and for how long. Really appreciate it.

  24. did you run a serm and daa+erase for your pct? just wondering

  25. Quote Originally Posted by newbie96 View Post
    Bigwhiteguy, thank you very much for sharing. That is a great help to my decisioin on what to run and for how long. Really appreciate it.
    no prob man
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