DIENOLONE GYNO HELP (need clarification)

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    honestly you know what helped remove the pain more then anything for me??? DHT based compounds... i ran some transdermal 3aa this summer and it did wonders for reducing the size and pain...
    Androhard V II does this amazing I hear.


  2. 808rebel
    How are you dosing the letro and p5p?
    I'm currently running epi/11sterone going into my 3rd week got some sensitivity to the nipples and a hard lump....this sucks
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by newbie96 View Post
    808rebel
    How are you dosing the letro and p5p?
    I'm currently running epi/11sterone going into my 3rd week got some sensitivity to the nipples and a hard lump....this sucks
    what the! cant believe you got gyno from those. they supress estro. Thats odd, get blood work. but dose letro like this

    day 1 1.0mg
    day 2 1.5mg
    day3. 2.0
    and if stay at 2.0 or bump and stay at 2.5 and stay at that for a week after it goes away or gets tiny.

    BUT if you take letro on cycle you will want to use a much lower dose. 1, 1.25. usually.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29

    what the! cant believe you got gyno from those. they supress estro. Thats odd, get blood work. but dose letro like this

    day 1 1.0mg
    day 2 1.5mg
    day3. 2.0
    and if stay at 2.0 or bump and stay at 2.5 and stay at that for a week after it goes away or gets tiny.

    BUT if you take letro on cycle you will want to use a much lower dose. 1, 1.25. usually.
    I know....didn't see that coming. I felt some sensitivity about 4 days ago. I had read that sensitivity/puffy nipples is normal on epi so I didn't think anything of it. Then last night I felt the lump.

    I'm waiting for letro to arrive, I've got liquid tamoxifen on hand. Should I start dosing the tamox now? What dosage?

    Thanks, again.

  5. i've got NOW P5P and Im taking 2 caps AM, 2 caps PM. I Was taking 4AM and 4 PM, but decided to tone it down and be more conventional, vs. going overkill.

    For the Letro, I didn't realize I shouldve tapered up. I started at 2mg and have stayed at that.
    -It's not about what you're doing, it's about how you're doing it.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by newbie96 View Post
    I know....didn't see that coming. I felt some sensitivity about 4 days ago. I had read that sensitivity/puffy nipples is normal on epi so I didn't think anything of it. Then last night I felt the lump.

    I'm waiting for letro to arrive, I've got liquid tamoxifen on hand. Should I start dosing the tamox now? What dosage?

    Thanks, again.
    what brand of epi was this???
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough

    what brand of epi was this???
    IBE. I'm wondering if the 11 sterone may have antagonized the issue, I've been dosing it at 900 mg. from what I've read, at that dosage it turns into testosterone so maybe the higher I flux of test brought on some higher estrogen too. Dunno. I need to do some blood work.

  8. i would consider that more likely then anything else... I actually took IBE Epi standalone and saw a small reduction in my gyno... so its surprising to me to see otherwise...
    I didnt know 11-oxo had any conversion to test! Is there any articles or threads on this?
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough
    i would consider that more likely then anything else... I actually took IBE Epi standalone and saw a small reduction in my gyno... so its surprising to me to see otherwise...
    I didnt know 11-oxo had any conversion to test! Is there any articles or threads on this?
    I'm sorry, I mean it converts to 11keto-testosterone. I'll see if I can find some articles.

  10. ok... that I know... can 11-keto test aromatize?
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    ok... that I know... can 11-keto test aromatize?
    No, 11-keto test does not aromatize and from the research I've done, epistane acst as an ai. So, I don't understand what is going on.

  12. i wouldnt take the nolva till later.

  13. certainly odd to me as well...




    maybe its not really gyno??? but youve felt a lump, not just puffy nips right???
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  14. **** can get real weird. ive had puffy nips no lump, non puffy lil lump, both at same time, something i thought was a lump not a lump. Letro cleared it up for me faster than hell. then i used Formestane to come off the letro.

  15. good to know. letro is working wonders for me as well.

    Pain is almost GONE. Lump is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller, went from pea sized to about 1/4th or 1/5th of the size. almost cant find it now. And it's been less than a week.
    -It's not about what you're doing, it's about how you're doing it.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    certainly odd to me as well...




    maybe its not really gyno??? but youve felt a lump, not just puffy nips right???
    Yeah, the lump is there nips not really puffy, just sensitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    **** can get real weird. ive had puffy nips no lump, non puffy lil lump, both at same time, something i thought was a lump not a lump. Letro cleared it up for me faster than hell. then i used Formestane to come off the letro.
    That's good to know, kind of reassuring. how did you dose the formestane?

    Quote Originally Posted by 808rebel View Post
    good to know. letro is working wonders for me as well.

    Pain is almost GONE. Lump is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller, went from pea sized to about 1/4th or 1/5th of the size. almost cant find it now. And it's been less than a week.
    My pain is reducing, however, the lump is still there and I have sensitivity to my nipple area and just below the nipple area right at the top abdomen area. I'm glad Letro is working for you, i'm still waiting for letro to arrive

    thank you everyone for the help.

  17. Ill jsut tell you the whole story.

    Ran a high dose Pmag and Furuza cycle 6 weeks, Clomid pct with erase. I started Erase too early and i had high Serum levels off the clomid and also used Forkslin which caused estro issues in PCT. i went back on Erase and it helped but I still got rebound again. i started playing and feeling my nip glands too often and pinching them to see if it was there. caused big time irritation. so dont do this!

    to fix it i got letro went day by day 1.0 1.25 1.50. 1.75. 2.0 by the time i got just a few days in it already started to help big time. then i went to 2.5 for about 15 days and back down to 2.0 for 5 days then dropped it day by day .5 less each day at .5 i started formestane (topical from CEL) 150mg for 5 days, 100mg for 10 days and 50mg for like 10 days. i only have a tiny bit left. i also weight 240 and have a little high body fat over 15% i think. 100mg would be sufficent. i honestly felt the form did great.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    Ill jsut tell you the whole story.

    Ran a high dose Pmag and Furuza cycle 6 weeks, Clomid pct with erase. I started Erase too early and i had high Serum levels off the clomid and also used Forkslin which caused estro issues in PCT. i went back on Erase and it helped but I still got rebound again. i started playing and feeling my nip glands too often and pinching them to see if it was there. caused big time irritation. so dont do this!

    to fix it i got letro went day by day 1.0 1.25 1.50. 1.75. 2.0 by the time i got just a few days in it already started to help big time. then i went to 2.5 for about 15 days and back down to 2.0 for 5 days then dropped it day by day .5 less each day at .5 i started formestane (topical from CEL) 150mg for 5 days, 100mg for 10 days and 50mg for like 10 days. i only have a tiny bit left. i also weight 240 and have a little high body fat over 15% i think. 100mg would be sufficent. i honestly felt the form did great.
    Bigwhiteguy, thank you very much for sharing. That is a great help to my decisioin on what to run and for how long. Really appreciate it.

  19. did you run a serm and daa+erase for your pct? just wondering

  20. Quote Originally Posted by newbie96 View Post
    Bigwhiteguy, thank you very much for sharing. That is a great help to my decisioin on what to run and for how long. Really appreciate it.
    no prob man

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Masciaman View Post
    did you run a serm and daa+erase for your pct? just wondering
    yeah and i also did bioforge v II and when i started that is when i started to flare up

  22. BUMP!

    -So the lump is pretty small, but its still there, and idk if it's improving. I've seen a lot of reccomendations on formestane. Any suggestions to which brand? CEL is pretty cheap and reputable, I may go that route.. but is NTBM's RS-Transderm the same thing? If so I may go that route.
    -It's not about what you're doing, it's about how you're doing it.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by 808rebel
    BUMP!

    -So the lump is pretty small, but its still there, and idk if it's improving. I've seen a lot of reccomendations on formestane. Any suggestions to which brand? CEL is pretty cheap and reputable, I may go that route.. but is NTBM's RS-Transderm the same thing? If so I may go that route.
    Transaderm is dhea. It's a upstream hormone not like formastane which is an AI. Ntbm has a transdermal formastane supp as well though. I'd look into that.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Transaderm is dhea. It's a upstream hormone not like formastane which is an AI. Ntbm has a transdermal formastane supp as well though. I'd look into that.
    ahhhh thats why I was confused. I was mistaking NTBM's Transderm for MrSupps Forma Stanzol
    -It's not about what you're doing, it's about how you're doing it.

  25. 808, can you give us an update on how things worked out for ya? hopefully everything cleared up. im interested on how the form worked for you following the letro
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by heebs10 View Post
    808, can you give us an update on how things worked out for ya? hopefully everything cleared up. im interested on how the form worked for you following the letro
    i did it and it worked just as well as the letro did IMO. letro worked really well in the middle of letro cycle but as a tapered down the bump came back once on form it went back down. my gyno was so little though so i dont know.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    i did it and it worked just as well as the letro did IMO. letro worked really well in the middle of letro cycle but as a tapered down the bump came back once on form it went back down. my gyno was so little though so i dont know.
    thanks for the reply. are you off the form now? if you are off the form, was there any rebound?
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  28. I have something similar, ran letro for 3 weeks when I started tapering down I felt the sensitivity coming back the lump never went down. I started letro at 2.5 again for a week and still feel the sensitivity.

    I started tamoxifen and erase today, I'm hoping this can help restart things and help with getting my testosterone/estrogen ratio back into a favorable range.

    Has anyone had a similar experience and had any success running something similar?

    Am I just doing things all wrong?

    Thanks guys in advance.

  29. i honestly felt letro worked great for a weak and then kinda ehhh after. it was research grade but from a quality source. Form was great to me, first time in a transdermal form. I ended up buying 3 more bottles. I can only feel it if I really try and its really hot out. It worked well i am happy. No I am not on it. i ended 5 weeks ago. no rebound.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    i honestly felt letro worked great for a weak and then kinda ehhh after. it was research grade but from a quality source. Form was great to me, first time in a transdermal form. I ended up buying 3 more bottles. I can only feel it if I really try and its really hot out. It worked well i am happy. No I am not on it. i ended 5 weeks ago. no rebound.
    im glad to here it worked well for you and that you didnt get any rebound. i have been using TD form for about a week now while i was waiting to get my letro (started TD form and nolva when i first felt sensitivity about a week ago but at that point it was already pretty late since there was already a good sized lump that i somehow didnt notice developing earlier) anyways, i just got my letro and started it last night. the form hasnt helped with the lump at, at least from what i can tell anyways. it seems to help reduce the puffiness temporarily but begins to become puffy again towards the end of the day. i also was using some ATD that i had lying around because my form is a few years old and i wasn't sure if it had degraded at all. i also got some caber when i bought my letro but im not sure if i should use it/need it. i got my chems from IP (formerly IR) so i think they have a pretty good reputation of having legit chems, i hope.

    did you initially have puffiness in addition to the lump, BWG? and if you did, did that resolve as well?

    thanks for the help so far.

    if anyone else has any input or advise, i would appreciate your wisdom.
    VO2 Max = 58.75mL/kg/min
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