Lab Findings for Different Methyls/Stacks
- 08-21-2004, 05:44 PM
Lab Findings for Different Methyls/Stacks
M1T: Elevates liver enzymes more so than others, lowers HDL and glucose to very unhealthy levels in a matter of days. By now we should all know this. Used by itself Progesterone is not elevated, but in conjunction with 4AD Progesterone just about doubles (for me). So watch for progesterone related sides whilst stacked with 4AD.
M4OHN I've used it at 30mg/day, for a while, probably close to 5 weeks, with 4AD-cyp, 1-test-cyp. Liver enzymes lowered significantly even though I started this the day I came off of M1T. I felt "fat" for the first week after starting it, ran some labs, and my Prolactin was pretty high. I don't know if it is the M4OHN by itself that causes high Prolactin, or an interaction between it and 4AD or 1-test. I added M5AA to dry out, and subsequently my prolactin went down. Liver enzymes continued to go down from while on M1T, even at 100mg M5AA and 30mg M4OHN. Also HDL improved to almost normal, around 32 (from 5 while on M1T). For cutting and strength, even gaining some very lean muscle, this combo can't be beat.
Keep in mind that I'm not reccomending dosages or even telling someone to stack these or anything, I'm just putting out my information and experiences.
- 08-21-2004, 06:12 PM
- 08-21-2004, 06:14 PM
thanks for the input. we need some lab results like this for m1,4add compared to m1t. seems like the verdict for m1,4add is to take close to 100mg/day, but there's no proof that 100mg/day is safer or more toxic than say m1t at 10mg/day. .all we know is m1t is much more toxic mg for mg, but users are using 6-25 times the mg amounts of m14add to m1t.
08-21-2004, 06:15 PM
Good info man. How much M1T was you on? Has to be alot considering the M5 and M4OHN dosage was pretty high, and the liver enz. still went down.
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
08-21-2004, 06:19 PM
08-21-2004, 06:20 PM
08-21-2004, 06:21 PM
08-21-2004, 06:23 PM
08-21-2004, 06:26 PM
I don't want Bobo kicking my ass for posting some of the dosages/combos I use. I'll PM you momentarily.
08-21-2004, 06:46 PM
08-21-2004, 06:48 PM
08-21-2004, 07:10 PM
08-21-2004, 07:24 PM
08-21-2004, 07:34 PM
08-21-2004, 07:47 PM
I'm on a M1T/M4OHN stack now.....and it freakin ROCKS
I feel like damn Superman .....now only if I can use the X-ray vision to see through chick's clothes
08-21-2004, 08:06 PM
Thanks for your post, SS. The M4OHN + M5AA stack indeed seems to be one of the most highly rated for strength, hardness, vascularity, and so far as we know, safety. Do you think it is substantially better than a M4OHN + Mdien stack (for cutting, strength, vascularity, and safety) or do you have any info/experience with this particularly? Anyone with experience and /or opinions on that? I've seen quite a bit on both possibilities, but never a real comparison . Thanks
08-21-2004, 08:35 PM
THX for the post SS......Waiting for blood work results to come back(prior to mohn-1,4 cycle)and hopefully prior to completing this cycle......
08-21-2004, 08:40 PM
M-Dien is definitely more toxic than M5AA IMO, I've never ran M4OHN and M-Dien but I would imagine the results would be awesome. Might actually bloat on that combo more than you would think, due to possible progesterone or prolactin increases, but that's just a guess.Originally Posted by milwood
08-22-2004, 01:36 PM
what about an m-dien/m5aa cutting stack? There wouldn't be any progesterone issues because of DHT conversion and I imagine it'd be great for preserving muscle.
08-22-2004, 01:59 PM
08-22-2004, 03:56 PM
08-22-2004, 05:05 PM
Should be an awesome cutting stack, comparable but probably stronger than M4OHN/M5AA. Just keep in mind that M-Dien is more toxic than M4OHN.Originally Posted by Sgt. Ownage
08-22-2004, 05:15 PM
Thanks, I was really waiting for someone to respond. My goal is to just get rid of some fat and mantain my weight of ~220 while preserving/building muscle. I already have some m5aa, would you personally recommend M-Dien or m4ohn to add to the m5aa based on results, not toxicity.Originally Posted by supersoldier
I was also kicking around the idea of m1t during a cut. I would think running it solo would be ideal during a cut due to it being highly anabolic and decreases appetite.
08-22-2004, 05:49 PM
08-22-2004, 06:38 PM
If ur body could handle it, throwin in m-dien at 6-15mgs would just put someone over the rock hard edgeOriginally Posted by milwood
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