Andro hard + 1-andro rx ??

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Well, that dosage recommendation from PP is not based off of plain 1-DHEA.
    Are you sure? it even says 1-DHEA and lists common clones such as 1-T by PP and 1-Androsterone by AMS which are 1-DHEA?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Relentless10 View Post
    Are you sure? it even says 1-DHEA and lists common clones such as 1-T by PP and 1-Androsterone by AMS which are 1-DHEA?
    PP's 1T had the LV delivery with it.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    PP's 1T had the LV delivery with it.
    yea which was 116mg i believe or close to and twice a day. so over 200. On PP's site it says:

    Transdermally 200-300mg/day
    Standalone - 400-600mg/day (oral)
    Stacking - 200-400mg/day (oral)

  4. So with that statement how do I dose the 1-andro rx and epistane when STACKING, both oral.???

  5. I just ran 1androrx @ 600 for a long cycle, there was 4 weeks in there with 300mg of orastan E as well, no lethargy from either compound for me, if anything I wrestled with some insomnia, ! andro rx is really mild bro , so is andro hard I cannot see it causing any problems. . .
    for while bodily training is of some value, godliness is of value in every way, as it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come 1 Tim 4:8
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by james122 View Post
    I just ran 1androrx @ 600 for a long cycle, there was 4 weeks in there with 300mg of orastan E as well, no lethargy from either compound for me, if anything I wrestled with some insomnia, ! andro rx is really mild bro , so is andro hard I cannot see it causing any problems. . .
    Yea vie run PP's 1-T before which is the same compound along with added DHEA in it, i loved it. Running at 600 of 1-andro rx is no problem for me alone but now that im thinking of stacking with EPISTANE Im wondering at what dose ill see results from both as well as minimul sides??

  7. So hows this look??

    1-Andro RX and epistane:
    week 1: 300mg and 10mg
    week 2: 300mg and 20mg
    week 3: 400mg and 20mg
    week 4: 400mg and 20mg

    PCT:

    week 1-4 = TRS

    the dosing sounds low to me but im basing this off PP's suggested amount WHEN STACKING 1-DHEA and EPISTANE with other compounds... ?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja

    If he's trying to bulk up, the appetite suppression from the EC would be counterproductive.
    Good point. My apetite is always on so that didn't come to mind
    you can lead a man to knowledge, but you cant make him think.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by james122 View Post
    I just ran 1androrx @ 600 for a long cycle, there was 4 weeks in there with 300mg of orastan E as well, no lethargy from either compound for me, if anything I wrestled with some insomnia, ! andro rx is really mild bro , so is andro hard I cannot see it causing any problems. . .
    what kinda of results did you see from your 1-andro rx and orastan E cycle?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Relentless10 View Post
    what kinda of results did you see from your 1-andro rx and orastan E cycle?
    It was super fun from beginning to end, I was doing alot of cardio and eating under maintence for fat loss, but I still had great strength gains muscle hardness , its hard to say if what I mat have gained in lbm, because I lost a ton of fat, but I do "look" alot more muscular, It may bee cuz I leaned out some, But i would run them again in a heart beat , Id run both at those doses for 8 weeks if I had the bread
    for while bodily training is of some value, godliness is of value in every way, as it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come 1 Tim 4:8

  11. Quote Originally Posted by james122 View Post
    It was super fun from beginning to end, I was doing alot of cardio and eating under maintence for fat loss, but I still had great strength gains muscle hardness , its hard to say if what I mat have gained in lbm, because I lost a ton of fat, but I do "look" alot more muscular, It may bee cuz I leaned out some, But i would run them again in a heart beat , Id run both at those doses for 8 weeks if I had the bread
    Sounds great man! I can only run something for 4-5 weeks tops tho due to traveling and timing. So you suggest a cycle like this:

    ON CYCLE 1-Andro rx AND Epistane AND toco-8 AND Livercare

    Week 1-4 600 mg AND 30 mg AND 1 scoop AND (suggested use) { preload livercare and toco-8 }


    PCT :

    week 1-4 = TRS.... maybe throw in some TCF-1 if needed??


    This is what you suggest or am I wrong?? sounds great to me lol PP's recommends for these compounds when stacking just have me second guessing this high of a dose

  12. I'd definitely add in TCF-1 for your PCT.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  13. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I'd definitely add in TCF-1 for your PCT.
    Most likely will. Just to clarify, epistane is legal and is a 17aa steroid?? maybe STACKING my first "grey market steroid" isn't such a good idea.
    " It's God Given "

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Relentless10 View Post
    Most likely will. Just to clarify, epistane is legal and is a 17aa steroid?? maybe STACKING my first "grey market steroid" isn't such a good idea.
    Yes, it's completely legal. They're both legal.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  15. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Yes, it's completely legal. They're both legal.
    Just epistane is basically out of stock everywhere lol. but ok thanks had to know! I may run epi alone and see how that goes then do this stack.

    I trust PP guys a lot and i've given 2 cycle options with little feedback in this thread. Any suggestions on how to dose a 1-andro rx/epistane cycle??
    " It's God Given "

  16. 1 andro Rx is discontinued now anyhow so if you are gonna fin it make sure you have enough for a good run before you start, so bummed iml had 6 bottles for 125 shipped for a while . . Such a good deal that was ..
    for while bodily training is of some value, godliness is of value in every way, as it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come 1 Tim 4:8

  17. Your second option looks good, start week one at 400 and 20 if you want to ease into it , them bump it up if you feel good
    for while bodily training is of some value, godliness is of value in every way, as it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come 1 Tim 4:8

  18. Quote Originally Posted by james122 View Post
    Your second option looks good, start week one at 400 and 20 if you want to ease into it , them bump it up if you feel good
    that might be what I go with when I decided to run the cycle. Still undecided if i should just go for it on this cycle or run Epi alone first then, after time off, run the 1-andro rx/epi cycle.

    also, haha yea I wish that deal was still around. I have 3 bottles on hand.
    " It's God Given "

  19. Run the epi solo first imo


  20. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Run the epi solo first imo
    thats what im thinking. See how the body reacts to epi and then run the stack.

    Theres plenty of info out there on epi which i've been reading but since i got you guys here i might as well clarify what i've read and get some opinions.

    this will be my FIRST designer steroid cycle (epistane), 1-T was my first and only ph so far. hows 20/20/30/30 look? depending how i feel in week 4 may boost the epi to 40mg.

    Supporting sups suggestions??? liver care, fish oil, toco-8??

    PCT = TRS only ?? I've heard epi is def a milder designer compared to others but this is my FIRST so i want this to be as healthy and smooth as possible.
    " It's God Given "

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Relentless10 View Post
    thats what im thinking. See how the body reacts to epi and then run the stack.

    Theres plenty of info out there on epi which i've been reading but since i got you guys here i might as well clarify what i've read and get some opinions.

    this will be my FIRST designer steroid cycle, 1-T was my first and only ph so far. hows 20/20/30/30 look? depending how i feel in week 4 may boost to 40mg.

    Supporting sups suggestions??? liver care, fish oil, toco-8??

    PCT = TRS only ?? I've heard epi is def a milder designer compared to others but this is my FIRST so i want this to be as healthy and smooth as possible.
    TRS for PCT would suffice at that dosage and length. Liver Juice, which is a great liver support supplement, is also on sale right now.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  22. Sounds good, thanks.

    Previously you've said that TRS + TCF-1 would be needed for an epi/1-andro run though right??? a SERM would be best I'd assume but i shy away from SERMs at this point in my supplement experience.
    " It's God Given "

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Relentless10 View Post
    Sounds good, thanks.

    Previously you've said that TRS + TCF-1 would be needed for an epi/1-andro run though right??? a SERM would be best I'd assume but i shy away from SERMs at this point in my supplement experience.
    Yes, that would be the best route (TRS+TCF-1), but the TRS alone will suffice if funds are tight.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  24. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Yes, that would be the best route (TRS+TCF-1), but the TRS alone will suffice if funds are tight.
    I keep trying to rep you again but it wont let me lol, thanks man appreciate your help a ton!!
    " It's God Given "

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Yes, that would be the best route (TRS+TCF-1), but the TRS alone will suffice if funds are tight.
    With the sale we have going on it's much easier. The TRS is 30% off and TCF-1 is discounted as well!
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