Andro hard + 1-andro rx ??

[Rodja]

haha as in IBE's Epistane? I laugh because I've heard of this product but stay away from methlys BUT all night I've been researching this and thinking it may be what im looking for. I find the coincidence somewhat amusing. also, side effect convo was limited?

What sort of side effects would I see?? I've read on logs of 1-t/epistane that the epistane helped improve lethargy and aggression and sex drive however PPs characteristics of the epistane compound suggest the exact opposite??

Epi is pretty mild, but some report lethargy and others have none. In conjunction with 1-DHEA, in may cause lethargy, though.

[Turnitup122]

I don't get y u would use another hormonal compound just to combat lethergy.. I just use ec and closely monitor bp. Its cheap and effective

[Rodja]

I don't get y u would use another hormonal compound just to combat lethergy.. I just use ec and closely monitor bp. Its cheap and effective

If he's trying to bulk up, the appetite suppression from the EC would be counterproductive.

[Relentless10]

Epi is pretty mild, but some report lethargy and others have none. In conjunction with 1-DHEA, in may cause lethargy, though.

Id have to assume I'll notice lethargy since both are known to cause it somewhat. I do have Jack3d so maybe ill just sacrifice the lethargy for the gains and take jack3d for workouts and practices when needed.

How do I dose my cycle now that ill be stacking???

PP suggests 200-400mg/day of 1-DHEA when STACKING and 10-20mg/day of epistane when STACKING... that seems somewhat low though.

[Rodja]

Id have to assume I'll notice lethargy since both are known to cause it somewhat. I do have Jack3d so maybe ill just sacrifice the lethargy for the gains and take jack3d for workouts and practices when needed.

How do I dose my cycle now that ill be stacking???

PP suggests 200-400mg/day of 1-DHEA when STACKING and 10-20mg/day of epistane when STACKING... that seems somewhat low though.

Well, that dosage recommendation from PP is not based off of plain 1-DHEA.

[Relentless10]

Well, that dosage recommendation from PP is not based off of plain 1-DHEA.

Are you sure? it even says 1-DHEA and lists common clones such as 1-T by PP and 1-Androsterone by AMS which are 1-DHEA?

[Rodja]

Are you sure? it even says 1-DHEA and lists common clones such as 1-T by PP and 1-Androsterone by AMS which are 1-DHEA?

PP's 1T had the LV delivery with it.

[Relentless10]

PP's 1T had the LV delivery with it.

yea which was 116mg i believe or close to and twice a day. so over 200. On PP's site it says:

Transdermally 200-300mg/day
Standalone - 400-600mg/day (oral)
Stacking - 200-400mg/day (oral)

[Relentless10]

So with that statement how do I dose the 1-andro rx and epistane when STACKING, both oral.???

[james122]

I just ran 1androrx @ 600 for a long cycle, there was 4 weeks in there with 300mg of orastan E as well, no lethargy from either compound for me, if anything I wrestled with some insomnia, ! andro rx is really mild bro , so is andro hard I cannot see it causing any problems. . .

[Relentless10]

I just ran 1androrx @ 600 for a long cycle, there was 4 weeks in there with 300mg of orastan E as well, no lethargy from either compound for me, if anything I wrestled with some insomnia, ! andro rx is really mild bro , so is andro hard I cannot see it causing any problems. . .

Yea vie run PP's 1-T before which is the same compound along with added DHEA in it, i loved it. Running at 600 of 1-andro rx is no problem for me alone but now that im thinking of stacking with EPISTANE Im wondering at what dose ill see results from both as well as minimul sides??

[Relentless10]

So hows this look??

1-Andro RX and epistane:
week 1: 300mg and 10mg
week 2: 300mg and 20mg
week 3: 400mg and 20mg
week 4: 400mg and 20mg

PCT:

week 1-4 = TRS

the dosing sounds low to me but im basing this off PP's suggested amount WHEN STACKING 1-DHEA and EPISTANE with other compounds... ?

[Turnitup122]

If he's trying to bulk up, the appetite suppression from the EC would be counterproductive.

Good point. My apetite is always on so that didn't come to mind

[Relentless10]

I just ran 1androrx @ 600 for a long cycle, there was 4 weeks in there with 300mg of orastan E as well, no lethargy from either compound for me, if anything I wrestled with some insomnia, ! andro rx is really mild bro , so is andro hard I cannot see it causing any problems. . .

what kinda of results did you see from your 1-andro rx and orastan E cycle?

[james122]

what kinda of results did you see from your 1-andro rx and orastan E cycle?

It was super fun from beginning to end, I was doing alot of cardio and eating under maintence for fat loss, but I still had great strength gains muscle hardness , its hard to say if what I mat have gained in lbm, because I lost a ton of fat, but I do "look" alot more muscular, It may bee cuz I leaned out some, But i would run them again in a heart beat , Id run both at those doses for 8 weeks if I had the bread

[Relentless10]

It was super fun from beginning to end, I was doing alot of cardio and eating under maintence for fat loss, but I still had great strength gains muscle hardness , its hard to say if what I mat have gained in lbm, because I lost a ton of fat, but I do "look" alot more muscular, It may bee cuz I leaned out some, But i would run them again in a heart beat , Id run both at those doses for 8 weeks if I had the bread

Sounds great man! I can only run something for 4-5 weeks tops tho due to traveling and timing. So you suggest a cycle like this:

ON CYCLE 1-Andro rx AND Epistane AND toco-8 AND Livercare

Week 1-4 600 mg AND 30 mg AND 1 scoop AND (suggested use) { preload livercare and toco-8 }


PCT :

week 1-4 = TRS.... maybe throw in some TCF-1 if needed??


This is what you suggest or am I wrong?? sounds great to me lol PP's recommends for these compounds when stacking just have me second guessing this high of a dose

[Rodja]

I'd definitely add in TCF-1 for your PCT.

[Relentless10]

I'd definitely add in TCF-1 for your PCT.

Most likely will. Just to clarify, epistane is legal and is a 17aa steroid?? maybe STACKING my first "grey market steroid" isn't such a good idea.

[Rodja]

Most likely will. Just to clarify, epistane is legal and is a 17aa steroid?? maybe STACKING my first "grey market steroid" isn't such a good idea.

Yes, it's completely legal. They're both legal.

[Relentless10]

Yes, it's completely legal. They're both legal.

Just epistane is basically out of stock everywhere lol. but ok thanks had to know! I may run epi alone and see how that goes then do this stack.

I trust PP guys a lot and i've given 2 cycle options with little feedback in this thread. Any suggestions on how to dose a 1-andro rx/epistane cycle??