Stay on HCG.... FOREVER?!?

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Hey guys, new here... but not new to gear. Got a question I think is kinda new age. Im on cycle now, and plan on staying on indefinitely (at least a year). But I dont want my boys to wither and die (hyperbole) and I want to not be chemically castrated when I come off (eventually). SO my question is, can I stay on cycle and continue to take HCG for the remainder of my cycle.


Heres what I'm on now (and plan to stay on unless someone educated advises me otherwise)

Test P- 40 mg ED
HCG- 250 3X EW

As you can see its nothing huge at all, just something to keep me strong throughout. I already did the big stuff to gain size, now I just want to coast comfortably.

First post here guys so show me some love, appreciate any help
 
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This is a important question. I don't think u should but 8wks towards ur break from test id incorporate hcg if I ran a very long cycle which I am now 5 6months
 
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See hcg is for recovery which is why id use it toward the end. Could anyone shine in also on my.process
 

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I read a really great article on how misinterpreted hcg is in the bodybuilding world, if I can find it again I will copy and paste it.
 

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imo you would be screwed, might keep testies but would shut down natural lh and cause true shut down.
 

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here you guys go. This is not my work. This is copy and pasted from another board which I will not say:



Using HCG
It is our opinion that HCG is probably one of the most misunderstood and misused compounds in bodybuilding. Hopefully this information will go some way towards rectifying that for the members of MuscleTalk. HCG stands for Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin and is not a steroid, but a natural peptide hormone which develops in the placenta of pregnant women during pregnancy to controls the mother's hormones. (Incidentally, this is the reason you may hear of people testing for growth hormone (HGH) with a pregnancy testing kit - If their HGH shows 'pregnant', they've been ripped-off with cheaper HCG - but we digress slightly).

Its action in the male body is like that of LH, stimulating the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone even in the absence of endogenous LH. HCG is therefore used during longer or heavier steroid cycles to maintain testicular size and condition, or to bring atrophied (shrunken) testicles back up to their original condition in preparation for post-cycle Clomid therapy. This process is necessary because atrophied testicles produce reduced levels of natural testosterone, this situation should be rectified prior to post-cycle Clomid therapy.

HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production.

The typically observed dosing of 2000 to 5000IU every 4 to 5 days causes such an increase in oestrogen levels via aromatisation of the natural testosterone that this has been responsible for many cases of gynecomastia.

From the above discussion it is clear that HCG is best used during a cycle, either to:

1) Avoid testicular atrophy, or
2) Rectify the problem of an existing testicular atrophy.

HCG Dosage
Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500IU and 1000IU per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing oestrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes.

It is important for the HCG administration to have been completed with 6 or 7 clear days before the onset of PCT in order to avoid inhibition of the Nolvadex and/or Clomid therapy. Also, a small daily dose (10-20mg) of Nolvadex would normally be used in conjunction with HCG in order to prevent oestrogenic symptoms caused by sudden increases in aromatisation.

Presentation and Administration of HCG
Synthetic HCG is often known as Pregnyl (generic name) and is available in 2500iu and 5000iu (not ideal for the above doses!). Administration of the compound is either by intra-muscular or subcutaneous injection. It comes as a powder which needs to be mixed with the sterile water. The powder is temperature-sensitive prior to mixing and should not be exposed to direct heat. After mixing, it should be kept refrigerated and used within a few weeks - though there are sterility issues which need to be considered after mixing.
 

AchillesONE

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Thanks gentlemen, you guys really know your stuff.
 
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only problem with this article is lack of data/sources, and it not mentioning what happens to your testicles, atrophied or not.

your body, even on heavy cycles, is still producing small amounts of lh and fsh. it's just not enough to stimulate the testes into producing enough test.

when on long cycles, your nutz become desensitized to the effects of lh. then when you come off and have a higher levels of lh, it doesn't do anything to the testes.

if you were to use hcg on a cycle, you would want to use just enough to preven desensitization. how much, well, that has not been studies to my knowledge.

the only studies I actually know of use hcg post cycle to shock the testes back into becoming sensitive to the effects of lh.

but I wouldn't think you would need to administer hcg much to keep your nutz from becoming desensitized to the effects of lh. that is a question that is pretty much anecdotal and anyones guess.
 
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My thoughts exactly! I would never us this pct only final.8 weeks ON cycle to recover easier. I do not understand why ppl use it pct it seems it WOULD cause further shutdown
 
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My thoughts exactly! I would never us this pct only final.8 weeks ON cycle to recover easier. I do not understand why ppl use it pct it seems it WOULD cause further shutdown
it can, but it is a fine line between harm and benifit, that most users aren't skilled enough to walk.

you need to use high dosages to "shock" the testes into production, but if you use these high dosages too long, or too much, you are going to increase hpta supression. which is where most inject users would mess up.
 
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Yeah and honestly I don't know.much about hcg so that why I decided to stick to my basic protocol but I do beloved hcg for a long time is damaging
 

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