maik
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4 years training
Im curiouse i was having a look to educate my self on PH/OTC from the post prohormones-comprehensive-guide and i saw that if anyday i would go to use PH for solid hard gains coz no point in gaining wet gains the best opcion would be a cycle of Havoc/Epistane and it would be my 1st one.
That said coz based on the funcion of these to compounds sound good : Havoc/Epistane (2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol)
RPN's product Havoc and IBE's Epistane were introduced at practically the same time and considered interchangeable by many. However, it should be noted that even when two products are identical, users can experience different effects depending on the quality of the isomer, manufacturing process and so on. With Havoc and Epistane they are chemically very slightly different 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol 2 (Havoc), and 2, 3a-epithio-17a-methyletioallo cholan-17b-ol (Epistane). Dosages are usually in the 20-50mg range.
Effects: useful for promoting solid, lean muscle gains with a concomitant reduction in oestrogen leading to a drier physique, and significant strength gains. This will contribute to the vascularity users typically report. Havoc and Epistane are also sometimes used purely to combat gynecomastia as they act in the body as an anti oestrogen, so that endogenous testosterone levels are less suppressed by this compound than other prohormones.
Side effects: less hepatoxic and damaging to lipid levels than other orals but the usual androgenic and oestrogenic side effects associated with prohormones remain a possibility.
This said i know now i would have to take a liver protectore befour and during the cycle and a PCT but my question is, is this a good one to start of with or is there better stuff since the post was created and safer to use with better hard gains ?
Is there a better ph out now with less sides and hard gains ?
Thank you.
4 years training
Im curiouse i was having a look to educate my self on PH/OTC from the post prohormones-comprehensive-guide and i saw that if anyday i would go to use PH for solid hard gains coz no point in gaining wet gains the best opcion would be a cycle of Havoc/Epistane and it would be my 1st one.
That said coz based on the funcion of these to compounds sound good : Havoc/Epistane (2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol)
RPN's product Havoc and IBE's Epistane were introduced at practically the same time and considered interchangeable by many. However, it should be noted that even when two products are identical, users can experience different effects depending on the quality of the isomer, manufacturing process and so on. With Havoc and Epistane they are chemically very slightly different 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol 2 (Havoc), and 2, 3a-epithio-17a-methyletioallo cholan-17b-ol (Epistane). Dosages are usually in the 20-50mg range.
Effects: useful for promoting solid, lean muscle gains with a concomitant reduction in oestrogen leading to a drier physique, and significant strength gains. This will contribute to the vascularity users typically report. Havoc and Epistane are also sometimes used purely to combat gynecomastia as they act in the body as an anti oestrogen, so that endogenous testosterone levels are less suppressed by this compound than other prohormones.
Side effects: less hepatoxic and damaging to lipid levels than other orals but the usual androgenic and oestrogenic side effects associated with prohormones remain a possibility.
This said i know now i would have to take a liver protectore befour and during the cycle and a PCT but my question is, is this a good one to start of with or is there better stuff since the post was created and safer to use with better hard gains ?
Is there a better ph out now with less sides and hard gains ?
Thank you.
