Hey guys my roomate just ordered both of these products and I'm trying to help him realize what he is about to get into. I've always heard about the bad side effects of prohormones and I know nothing about this propionate stuff. What can you tell me about these products? I want him to be able to read this thread and get the informed opinions of you guys. I've tried telling him that prohormones are rough and he needs to run PCT, but he doesn't know what PCT even is. He is a supp noob. Thanks a ton. And no, I am not talking about myself. You couldn't pay me to use either product.