how much do you realistically keep

[jibba_128]

hey bros

realistically how much mass do you gain on a PH cycle of say superdol/epistane and how much or what percentage do you lose after the cycle if you have nolva and hcgenerate as your pct whilst keeping your protein up etc etc

 

[TheMeatus101]

Off SD alone the highest i've seen was 30 pounds, that's not unusual either.

Keeping it varies. After some water weight comes off, blah blah blah, if you gain 30 pounds, and you do everything perfect for PCT, keeping 20 pounds isn't un-realistic.

 

[gymrat827]

50-80% is what most ppl keep long term

 

[EasyEJL]

hey bros

realistically how much mass do you gain on a PH cycle of say superdol/epistane and how much or what percentage do you lose after the cycle if you have nolva and hcgenerate as your pct whilst keeping your protein up etc etc

Its all about what you start at, which compound you use for how long and how much you gain. Gaining 4lbs on epistane you probably keep 3lbs, gaining 25 on superdrol lucky if you keep 8 after losing the extra fat you gained.

50-80% is what most ppl keep long term

I'd go with more like 25-75

 

[GeekPoop]

id say 50% ish mass 60%+ strength but than you go back on and youre where you left off within a week or two IME

 

[jibba_128]

id say 50% ish mass 60%+ strength but than you go back on and youre where you left off within a week or two IME

does it not look pretty obvious to people your taking something? if your inflating and deflating lol and does it not work out that you dont gain much more than you would just training well by the time youve lost half your gains

 

[EasyEJL]

does it not look pretty obvious to people your taking something? if your inflating and deflating lol and does it not work out that you dont gain much more than you would just training well by the time youve lost half your gains

some to both there. its not super obvious for you to go up 10lbs and then back down 5. If you gain much more than that on a cycle of orals, theres a lot of fat added too so if you got to 25lbs on superdrol, probably 10 of it would be fat anyway (which yay, fat is easy to keep after a cycle). So its not really that noticeable.

And most of the time, the difference between running a cycle and just doing naturally but really consistently with good diet is somewhat minor. Figure a 4 week cycle, 4 week pct, 8 weeks off is 4 months. Even if you gain 8 lean pounds in that 4 months, its not totally out of line to gain 2lbs a month naturally anyhow.

 

[GeekPoop]

does it not look pretty obvious to people your taking something? if your inflating and deflating lol and does it not work out that you dont gain much more than you would just training well by the time youve lost half your gains

haha yeah, well its not like you go from a grape to a prune. Ive been called out numerous times

yeah you'll get there one way or another, just its up to you how you choose to do it

 

[jibba_128]

some to both there. its not super obvious for you to go up 10lbs and then back down 5. If you gain much more than that on a cycle of orals, theres a lot of fat added too so if you got to 25lbs on superdrol, probably 10 of it would be fat anyway (which yay, fat is easy to keep after a cycle). So its not really that noticeable.

And most of the time, the difference between running a cycle and just doing naturally but really consistently with good diet is somewhat minor. Figure a 4 week cycle, 4 week pct, 8 weeks off is 4 months. Even if you gain 8 lean pounds in that 4 months, its not totally out of line to gain 2lbs a month naturally anyhow.

surely a couple of cycles of prohormones a year have a big advantage over all natural? otherwise there wouldent be much point lol?

im not saying your wrong btw im just wondering why people do prohormones if they would gain the same amount of muscle per year naturally

 

[EasyEJL]

surely a couple of cycles of prohormones a year have a big advantage over all natural? otherwise there wouldent be much point lol?

im not saying your wrong btw im just wondering why people do prohormones if they would gain the same amount of muscle per year naturally

I'll just ask the contrarian question

If it was easy to keep 7lbs on a cycle, at 3 a year that's 21lbs. Why aren't there a lot of ripped guys weighing over 220 around ? Even starting at 170 you should reach that in under 3 years right ?

 

[dontknowaboutme]

Nice thread, I would like to here more on this discussion. Especially since I have been on the edge of taking PH/AAS for years but never made the leap.

 

[chubbsthedog6]

ive always seen people keep almost all there strength but just lose a bit of size... i think a lot of it can be mental

 

[jbryand101b]

weights going to come and go i wouldn't put too much emphasis into it, instead focus more on how your body looks.

 

[gymrat827]

well PCT and how many cycles you have ran makes a large difference.

If its your 1st or 2nd run and you have done your research you could keep quite a bit. If its your 8th time its going to be diffferent.

 

[mase1]

I'll just ask the contrarian questionIf it was easy to keep 7lbs on a cycle, at 3 a year that's 21lbs. Why aren't there a lot of ripped guys weighing over 220 around ? Even starting at 170 you should reach that in under 3 years right ?

Wish more people would read this and realize that it is dead on. steroids are different b/c of cycle length.

 

[mase1]

Injectable

 

[EasyEJL]

Even with injectibles, once you come off, life gets in the way ....

 

[EBSNW1]

Even with injectibles, once you come off, life gets in the way ....

Thats true, but its still easier to keep than mass from PHs where your just stacking on massive amounts of size in a short time.

 

[EasyEJL]

Thats true, but its still easier to keep than mass from PHs where your just stacking on massive amounts of size in a short time.

I can easily point to guys that have run 2-3 injectible testosterone cycles (some with added orals or other steroids) over the last 2 years and their net after cutting retained over 2 years was less than 15lbs....

 

[EasyEJL]

surely a couple of cycles of prohormones a year have a big advantage over all natural? otherwise there wouldent be much point lol?

im not saying your wrong btw im just wondering why people do prohormones if they would gain the same amount of muscle per year naturally

So to give the more real answer finally, there probably isn't a huge point for most guys. Spend some time looking around here, look at the sizes on guys that do use, vs those that dont. And you'll find that the difference isn't that big. Quick gains are easy to lose, even just partially because you haven't built the habit of living with that extra 15lbs in 4 weeks. But outside of that, retaining the steady devotion to everything thats required to maintain larger amounts of lean mass is hard.

The reason why people still do it? Its partially at least for some guys like why fat people start and will try almost any crazy diet. A sort of mix of deperation, and not being willing to put in the much harder effort to keep your diet + training in control year round. And of course the whole instant gratification thing, you do gain the 15lbs for now, you see it in the mirror, you look good. losing 9 of those pounds between PCT and the next couple of months has you looking small, so you run another cycle.... Its like anorexia in girls, muscular dysmorphia.

 

[Ession]

Its sad how a fair majority of people that use PH/DS simply don't know how to diet properly or don't have any substancial muscle in the first place and would be better off just lifting heavy and eating a lot for a few years before messing with hormonals.

That's why you don't see a bunch of 220lb people walking around shredded as ****.

 

[pillsRgood]

Its sad how a fair majority of people that use PH/DS simply don't know how to diet properly or don't have any substancial muscle in the first place and would be better off just lifting heavy and eating a lot for a few years before messing with hormonals.

That's why you don't see a bunch of 220lb people walking around shredded as ****.

Well put!

If diet is on point and training stays intense, there is no reason why a person can't keep %50-75... But as stated earlier, focus more on how you look and your strength... Weight fluctuates way too much day to day... I can go from 215 to 210 in a day and upwards of 220 two days later...