What gives? A little help please.
- 08-08-2004, 11:55 PM
What gives? A little help please.
Hey bros, I recently started my bulker cycle consisting of:
NPP @ 200mg E3D
Test @ 200mg/ Week
EQ @ 400mg/ Week
Dbol 20mg When On/15mg Off days
Ldex @ .5mg E3D
My stats are as follows 195 lbs @ 6'0, about 11-13 % BF, Up from 184 @ 9% due natty bulking.
3rd cycle and 1 week out and I am still at 195, what gives? I have been eating like a horse, with meals every 3 hours! Protein is consistent with a minimum of 300g per day, but it usually ends up at about 320-350g ED. Carbs are at 200-250 per day, am afraid to bump them up more, as I get fat easily off of them. Fats are at 50-80g per day, most of them EFA's. Even with the Ldex I am definitely holding water and feeling somewhat bloated, but why haven't I gained a single pound? I am training INTENSELY, 4 sweat drenched workouts a week, emphasis on core movements, low rep range (4-8). Strength is definitely up probably by the dbol, as I have added 15 lbs to my max bench already and about 10 to my barbell curl just as an example. The only problem I can see with this is my sleep, sometimes is a ****ty 6 hrs per night, but its usually 7-8, however with 6 I can function fine throughout the day. Anyone have any ideas?
- 08-08-2004, 11:59 PM
Eat more... You need a LOT of calories to grow, you seem to be afraid to get a little fat on a bulker... It's par for the course if you want real dramatic results. Your Test dose is awefully low as well. EQ won't "kick in" until about weeks 6-8, and it isn't a dramatic mass builder, neither is NPP. You might be expecting a bit too much from this cycle. Oh, and sleep is VERY important, functional and fully rested are not the same.
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*I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*
08-09-2004, 12:13 AM
Okay, so what are we looking at here, more sleep and more carbs? But I don't think more calories are really needed as many have run cycles on sub-maintenance cals and have added LBM. I'm not expecting a massive 20-30lbs here, 12-15 lbs would do me good. I wasn't going to run this cycle with test at all but I threw it in to offset the side effects from the deca/finasteride use. I may bump it up to 400mg/week, but If I am getting stronger then the muscle shoudn't be far behind right?Originally Posted by ManBeast
08-09-2004, 12:23 AM
How can you add new muscle it you are running sub-maintenance on calories? Did the muscle just appear out of thin freakin air? YOU are going to have to ADD calories to add muscle.. and not running a cycle with test is kinda on the crazy side in my opinion..
What does your diet look like?
08-09-2004, 12:50 AM
As said above, your test dose is low and you must need more calories. You're only 1 week in cycle (I know, even with dbol) so don't expect much yet. You still have plenty of time to gain, just get that diet down.
08-09-2004, 08:32 AM
hey bro, is you are using spiro, up the test. Yes the propecia/deca will make the stronger androgen in your scalp but thats what mr.spiro is for At least bump the test to 400, so its not a HRT dose like it is now.
08-09-2004, 10:01 AM
Okay heres a sample diet:
1 Scoop Whey w/ 1/2 cup Skim Milk
2 Cups OF Oatmeal w/ 1 Banana
2 Whole Eggs w/ 1 Egg white w/ Turkey
3 Slice of Whole Wheat Toast
*Sometimes I replace the oatmeal with 5 Large Whole Wheat Pancakes
PWO Shake: 2 Scoops Whey w/ 1/2 Serving Nlarge2 Weight Gainer w/ 20g Dextrose
2 Cups Brown Rice or Pasta w/ 2 Cans of Tuna w/ 2 TBSP Light Mayo
2 Cups Brown Rice or Pasta usually with chicken or steak (50-70g of protein)
Chicken or Steak w/ 2 TBSP Fish Oil (50-70g protein)
2 Scoops Whey w/ 8 oz Skim Milk w/ 1 TBSP Peanut Butter w/ 1 Cup of Oats w/ 2 TBSP Olive Oil
Thats pretty much my diet, based on suggestions I may end up throwing in some more cups of oatmeal along with sandwhiches from Burger King and whatnot, not anything empty like fries or soda. And I guess I will bump that test to 400mg/ week, but 200mg if still tonnes more than what the average human male produces in the week. Bump.
Last edited by Izzman; 08-09-2004 at 11:03 AM.
08-09-2004, 10:23 AM
08-09-2004, 11:00 AM
Okay.....The very high end of the spectrum is 11mg a day, so 11X7= 77mg a week of test, so on 200mg a week of test, that is 123mg more than what the human male can maximally produce. Anyhow back on track, there goes my diet, any critiques/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.Originally Posted by Billy the kid
08-09-2004, 11:44 AM
Actually, the tests have been performed and 250 mg of test per week does not give near the results of 500 per week. You are short changing yourself bro.
08-09-2004, 11:59 AM
I appreciate the advice bro, I will actually bump it up to 400mg a week starting this week.Originally Posted by Billy the kid
So hows the diet looking folks?
08-09-2004, 01:55 PM
its your first cycle, why would u want to shortchange yourself with eating just a lil over maintenace. I blew it out in the kitchen on my first cycle and thats why I put on 36lbs in 10 weeks.
08-09-2004, 03:34 PM
Was that mostly LBM or some fat/water w/ muscle? Thats very impressive however. This is actually my 2nd real cycle.Originally Posted by Jarconis
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