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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    The few times I experienced it, I would definitely attribute it to caloric deficit.
    Calories play a huge part in the overall mood, but most overlook its impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    The few times I experienced it, I would definitely attribute it to caloric deficit.
    we were just having a discussion on PP about this today.
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    PCT is going great. 8 days left with the nolva and basic TRS. Still loving the TCF-1.

    Question though, could the TCF-1 be amplifying how much I am sweating during cardio? I am just drenched after a cardio session (much more so than normal). Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    PCT is going great. 8 days left with the nolva and basic TRS. Still loving the TCF-1.

    Question though, could the TCF-1 be amplifying how much I am sweating during cardio? I am just drenched after a cardio session (much more so than normal). Thoughts?
    Hmmmm, I'm not sure what could be causing that effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    PCT is going great. 8 days left with the nolva and basic TRS. Still loving the TCF-1.

    Question though, could the TCF-1 be amplifying how much I am sweating during cardio? I am just drenched after a cardio session (much more so than normal). Thoughts?
    More so than on cycle? I feel im sweating a bit more with just Hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    More so than on cycle? I feel im sweating a bit more with just Hard.
    Honestly, it could just be that I'm in much better shape because of the cycle, therefore I'm doing cardio with more intensity.
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    I haven't felt much of lethargy while on AH + AM. Not sure if it's due to the presence of AM or the fact I've taken 1,3 dime in the morning to be awake for work. But in any case, haven't felt much from it. Granted I'm well over on calories, but at the same coin, going low carb.

    On a different note, muscle soreness has been at its peak, need to boost up my glucosamine because I'm hurting, hurting bad! Probably due to the new and increased weights at my workout sessions. If I were to suggest / look for anything new on the products would be on recovery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    I haven't felt much of lethargy while on AH + AM. Not sure if it's due to the presence of AM or the fact I've taken 1,3 dime in the morning to be awake for work. But in any case, haven't felt much from it. Granted I'm well over on calories, but at the same coin, going low carb.

    On a different note, muscle soreness has been at its peak, need to boost up my glucosamine because I'm hurting, hurting bad! Probably due to the new and increased weights at my workout sessions. If I were to suggest / look for anything new on the products would be on recovery.
    Recovery isn't indicative of a successful hormone, in fact many make me more sore than usual and gains are incredible

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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    I haven't felt much of lethargy while on AH + AM. Not sure if it's due to the presence of AM or the fact I've taken 1,3 dime in the morning to be awake for work. But in any case, haven't felt much from it. Granted I'm well over on calories, but at the same coin, going low carb.

    On a different note, muscle soreness has been at its peak, need to boost up my glucosamine because I'm hurting, hurting bad! Probably due to the new and increased weights at my workout sessions. If I were to suggest / look for anything new on the products would be on recovery.

    Notice any BP effects with the 1,3 and androhard together?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Recovery isn't indicative of a successful hormone, in fact many make me more sore than usual and gains are incredible
    I've noticed this with myself as well... probably because strength increases are forcing my muscles to adapt faster than usual. Sort of like when I start training a muscle group or using a new exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigNasty

    Notice any BP effects with the 1,3 and androhard together?
    I stacked ah/al and shred matrix and noticed no effects on BP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    I stacked ah/al and shred matrix and noticed no effects on BP.
    Does that have DMAA in it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigNasty View Post
    Notice any BP effects with the 1,3 and androhard together?
    Not quite, checked my BP at ~2 hours after taking both and was at 130/85. So nothing unexpected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    I've noticed this with myself as well... probably because strength increases are forcing my muscles to adapt faster than usual. Sort of like when I start training a muscle group or using a new exercise.
    Didn't mean to say it was AH or anything's fault or whatnot, was just saying that one way or another I've been feeling more sore so a heads up may be to stack up on recovery supps
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Didn't mean to say it was AH or anything's fault or whatnot, was just saying that one way or another I've been feeling more sore so a heads up may be to stack up on recovery supps
    To me this is a good sign, I know it's working on some level

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Does that have DMAA in it?
    Oh, it doesnt! I did have some Jack3d on it though. And it was okay for me. I have really low base level BP though. I normally run at 100/55
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Didn't mean to say it was AH or anything's fault or whatnot, was just saying that one way or another I've been feeling more sore so a heads up may be to stack up on recovery supps
    Interesting. But Ryan could have a point.
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    Got a question for ya guys.I got one one week left and Im starting PCT today with hcg and nolva/clomid.


    Should I begin takin sustain alpha,endamp and toco-8 along with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuRkx View Post
    Got a question for ya guys.I got one one week left and Im starting PCT today with hcg and nolva/clomid.


    Should I begin takin sustain alpha,endamp and toco-8 along with it?
    Don't use the hcg for your PCT. Use only the Nolva or Clomid, preferably the Clomid, and run the TRS along side it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Don't use the hcg for your PCT. Use only the Nolva or Clomid, preferably the Clomid, and run the TRS along side it.

    Why no HCG? My cycle was 12 weeks
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuRkx View Post
    Why no HCG? My cycle was 12 weeks
    hCG ideally would have been used on the cycle. There are protocols for using hcg on cycle, but i am not familiar with them because I recommend using it on cycle. There is a sticky in the anabolics section of Steroidology about PCTs that outline hCG PCTs.
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    eh I only got 9 shots of hcg and im still on cycle..I will not use it for PCT..Just the time between the end of the cycle and start of pct.
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    Might want to give this a quick read:
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    ^^^^^ Good info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuRkx View Post
    Got a question for ya guys.I got one one week left and Im starting PCT today with hcg and nolva/clomid.


    Should I begin takin sustain alpha,endamp and toco-8 along with it?
    Start the TRS now alongside the nolva/clomid. Like H2S said, HCG is for on-cycle use. It can cause negative feedback and prevent the HPTA from recovering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigNasty View Post
    ^^^^^ Good info.
    Agreed. Far to many jump on long cycles without understanding hCG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Agreed. Far to many jump on long cycles without understanding hCG.
    Do you think hcg would interfere with the 16 week androhard protocol for gyno?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    Do you think hcg would interfere with the 16 week androhard protocol for gyno?
    Potentially. It's still using an exogenous hormone source and AH wouldn't cause a ton of testicular atrophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Potentially. It's still using an exogenous hormone source and AH wouldn't cause a ton of testicular atrophy.
    I doubt it though, you would still have a considerable androgen/estrogen ratio. I just don't see the point of the hcg on Hard (one of the exceptions I will make), unless the hcg is being used as part of a TRT protocol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Might want to give this a quick read:
    With these new "tren" PH's AH is perfect for on cycle gyno prevention

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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    I doubt it though, you would still have a considerable androgen/estrogen ratio. I just don't see the point of the hcg on Hard (one of the exceptions I will make), unless the hcg is being used as part of a TRT protocol.
    Still, the study showed almost no E2 + DHT therapy. Something to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    With these new "tren" PH's AH is perfect for on cycle gyno prevention
    Agreed.
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