Ultradrol? LMAO

[jbryand101b]

hope this isn't like the beta test for boladrol, where 2-4mg is amazing, but later on users need 8-12mg for some reason.

[pablogdog]

That would be unfortunate. The caps are 4mg btw and the the beta test that I read had tester @ 2 caps that he ran for 25 days.

[RickRock13]

I'd like to pick some of this up but I might wait for some feedback before I bite the bullet

[jbryand101b]

if the finished product consumers get is legit and gtg, then it would be a great deal.

[princeshock]

mod edit: thread cleaned up. No advertising.

[fueledpassion]

sounds like superdrol.

it's funny to think about the huge jump from methyl dht, a pretty mild compound, to di methyl dht, which is superdrol, and a powerhouse.

I also think it is interesting that stenbolone (2a methyl 1-test) seems to be unavailable on the black market, yet a new supp company, like so many before, has managed to secure the raws of methyl stenbolone.

superdrol:
2a,17a di methyl dht (5a reduced testosterone)

methyl stenbolone:
2a,17a di methyl 1-test (5a reduced boldenone)

I could see how the two could get mixed up.

we'll just have to see.

According to Primordial Performance website (steroid profile page), it's a stronger version of Superdrol. A trade-off for more sides in the prostate and hair loss categories but comes with more weight gains, less lethargy and less aggression..I'd treat it like superdrol and have everything spot on when it comes to on-cycle support as well as KNOWING that your cholesterol is in good condition before starting. 3-4 weeks would be all you'd need to take it.

[jbryand101b]

i got the nomenclature wrong, methyl stenbolone isn't 2a, it's just 2,17a methyl.

[P4D2A022]

lets see how this compound goes.... how much better can a compound be than SD or M1T

[DYEGYE]

I can't wait to see logs. A couple of the trenazone logs seemed promising... Were it not for the liver stress, it'd make a sick stack lol!

[BigBlackGuy]

I can't wait to see logs. A couple of the trenazone logs seemed promising... Were it not for the liver stress, it'd make a sick stack lol!

Trenazone doesn't seem too bad on the liver. What, is it ethylated??

[jbryand101b]

Trenazone doesn't seem too bad on the liver. What, is it ethylated??

no it is the structure of the compound that causes there to be stress on the liver, which is why it and trenbolone are said to have better oral availability than test. numerous blood work from users of pro dienolone have shown there to be elevated enzymes. and thats why, the structure of the compound.

[nattydisaster]

the diene and triene structures appear to give substantial liver toxicity

Imagine a methylated diene compound...yikes

[waynecross88]

the diene and triene structures appear to give substantial liver toxicity

Imagine a methylated diene compound...yikes

methyltrienolone, it does exist

[henryv]

the diene and triene structures appear to give substantial liver toxicity

Imagine a methylated diene compound...yikes

Like M-dien? They used to sell it before the first ban.

methyltrienolone, it does exist

That's a methylated triene compound.

[fueledpassion]

no it is the structure of the compound that causes there to be stress on the liver, which is why it and trenbolone are said to have better oral availability than test. numerous blood work from users of pro dienolone have shown there to be elevated enzymes. and thats why, the structure of the compound.

The company that sells the Trenazone goes into a long spill about how the delivery system of the topical Trenazone is different and how it makes the compound have alot less sides. You should check it out. Look under "research" tab on the website..try and keep up lol cause there is alot of jargon in that page!

[ryansm]

Like M-dien? They used to sell it before the first ban.



That's a methylated triene compound.

From my memory M-dien wasn't too toxic, however it was under dosed at first, after trying upwards of 15mgs is when I saw pretty severe liver toxicity.

[jbryand101b]

The company that sells the Trenazone goes into a long spill about how the delivery system of the topical Trenazone is different and how it makes the compound have alot less sides. You should check it out. Look under "research" tab on the website..try and keep up lol cause there is alot of jargon in that page!

I dont need to check it out, i know enough about dienolone and transdermal application to know all i need to know about trenazone. Thanks though.

I dont know of any data based evidence showing transdermal application of hormones that have hepatotoxic effect on the liver is any safer than by oral administration.

you could imagine that instead of hitting the liver all at once, you get a slow and steady amount processed through, but in the end, if the dosages of oral and t/d are equal, the same amount will be processed through the liver.

but like i said, i havn't seen any actual evidence of it, maybe henry has some?

this same argument i believe is made also for injecting hepatotoxic compounds vs taking them orally.

[TankerBiskits]

Back to the beginning, Ultradrol, whats up with that? IDS Mass Tabs (bottle) were the ****. But the common consensus is that it's a joke, right? Or if it did work it wouldn't be worth the taxed liver. I know when my liver starts to go i can't eat anything without feeling like i want to puke it up. So this would be x2 puke suck upchuck huh?

[nattydisaster]

I dont need to check it out, i know enough about dienolone and transdermal application to know all i need to know about trenazone. Thanks though.

I dont know of any data based evidence showing transdermal application of hormones that have hepatotoxic effect on the liver is any safer than by oral administration.

you could imagine that instead of hitting the liver all at once, you get a slow and steady amount processed through, but in the end, if the dosages of oral and t/d are equal, the same amount will be processed through the liver.

but like i said, i havn't seen any actual evidence of it, maybe henry has some?

this same argument i believe is made also for injecting hepatotoxic compounds vs taking them orally.

There is data suggesting the longer it takes to process through the liver the less toxicity there is...but i dont believe its that much less. Probably like squirting a squirt gun into a burning house and saying it reduced the fire

[jbryand101b]

There is data suggesting the longer it takes to process through the liver the less toxicity there is...but i dont believe its that much less. Probably like squirting a squirt gun into a burning house and saying it reduced the fire

interesting, i'd like to see that study. but I would imagine if the theories about it possibly making a difference were correct, it would be like you said, not a significant difference.

[jbryand101b]

Back to the beginning, Ultradrol, whats up with that? IDS Mass Tabs (bottle) were the ****. But the common consensus is that it's a joke, right? Or if it did work it wouldn't be worth the taxed liver. I know when my liver starts to go i can't eat anything without feeling like i want to puke it up. So this would be x2 puke suck upchuck huh?

despite what the placebo from numerous users believe, mass tabs contained methyldrostanolone. of course they were great, they were superdrol. probably a lower dose. 15mg of sd will provide nice gains, with minimal sides if any.

no one knows how this will be, it's never been run. and me personally, like others who have used superdrol, wont really know if there is a difference until we run it ourselves.

we'll see.

there is no magic steroid, more gains always will be more side effects.

[nattydisaster]

My idea of the perfect steroid is Clostebol Enanthate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clostebol

Acetate would work too.

No conversion to estrogen...no DHT effects. Imagine that stuff IM at like 1500mg/week. Yum. Theoretically

[jbryand101b]

i've been trying to get someone to release a 4-chloro-4-androstenediol product either in cap form, or t/d.

you'd get dry lean gains, without conversion to estrogen, and no hepatotoxicity.

not as good as your injectable esterfied clostebol, but isnt on the list of banned substances. yea yea...

[henryv]

My idea of the perfect steroid is Clostebol Enanthate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clostebol

Acetate would work too.

No conversion to estrogen...no DHT effects. Imagine that stuff IM at like 1500mg/week. Yum. Theoretically

Chlorination doesn't prevent 5a-reduction of the compound, though it does reduce it.

[mattrag]

My idea of the perfect steroid is Clostebol Enanthate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clostebol

Acetate would work too.

No conversion to estrogen...no DHT effects. Imagine that stuff IM at like 1500mg/week. Yum. Theoretically

Please release this for us.

[jbryand101b]

Please release this for us.

clostebol is on the banned substance list, BUT, Methyl clostebol isn't.

[matt352]

clostebol is on the banned substance list, BUT, Methyl clostebol isn't.

I wish a reputable company would put this out.

[nattydisaster]

clostebol is on the banned substance list, BUT, Methyl clostebol isn't.

Id be more interested in the diol version you mentioned...if the compound has such promising low side effects no need to stick a methyl group on it

Probably would need a very high dose of the diol to feel anything, i am guessing

[henryv]

i've been trying to get someone to release a 4-chloro-4-androstenediol product either in cap form, or t/d.

you'd get dry lean gains, without conversion to estrogen, and no hepatotoxicity.

not as good as your injectable esterfied clostebol, but isnt on the list of banned substances. yea yea...

Id be more interested in the diol version you mentioned...if the compound has such promising low side effects no need to stick a methyl group on it

Probably would need a very high dose of the diol to feel anything, i am guessing

I believe the C-4 halogen helps to shift the equilibrium of the 17bHSD reaction towards the alcohol, but to what extent I don't know. I can dig up a reference later if you need one.

[jbryand101b]

sure, i always enjoy reading stuff from you, like the benifits of astroglide. (couldn't help myself)

[henryv]

I believe the C-4 halogen helps to shift the equilibrium of the 17bHSD reaction towards the alcohol, but to what extent I don't know. I can dig up a reference later if you need one.

sure, i always enjoy reading stuff from you, like the benifits of astroglide. (couldn't help myself)

This is from an old textbook I bought to do a writeup on M4OHN:

Substitution at C-4 may change the metabolic fate of functional groups not in the Δ4-3-keto region, which are still fundamental for the biological action; for instance, this occurs when an atom of chlorine is introduced at C-4 in testosterone with consequent decrease in the production of 17-ketosteroids in vivo (Sala and Castegnaro, 1953) and inhibition of dehydrogenation at C-17 in vitro (Castegnaro and Sala, 1961).

Hormonal Steroids Vol 1, p.67. Academic Press, New York, 1964.

[henryv]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13431974
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13574260
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4777385
http://www.eje-online.org/content/34/2_Suppla/S139.short

A bunch of studies on Clostebol.

[mw1]

despite what the placebo from numerous users believe, mass tabs contained methyldrostanolone. of course they were great, they were superdrol. probably a lower dose. 15mg of sd will provide nice gains, with minimal sides if any.

no one knows how this will be, it's never been run. and me personally, like others who have used superdrol, wont really know if there is a difference until we run it ourselves.

we'll see.

there is no magic steroid, more gains always will be more side effects.

They have stated there will be some SD contamination so I'm curious to how much

[jbryand101b]

lol, hopefully it isn't like other msten products, and be 100% contaminated. lol.

[jbryand101b]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13431974
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13574260
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4777385
http://www.eje-online.org/content/34/2_Suppla/S139.short

A bunch of studies on Clostebol.

man, you really have too much info at your disposal. how do you find the time to read all of this? im jealous.

[henryv]

man, you really have too much info at your disposal. how do you find the time to read all of this? im jealous.

I haven't read them, I just dug up a few links. I thought "Absorption and metabolism of 4-chlorotestosterone acetate by oral route." might be relevant to your interests.

[kvothe]

slightly off topic, but I know a guy who took clostebal acetate orally and was unimpressed, I think he did up to 150 mgs per day, it has been a while, but I remember him being not overly impressed, especially versus the cost, I know methylation would change things though

[jbryand101b]

I haven't read them, I just dug up a few links. I thought "Absorption and metabolism of 4-chlorotestosterone acetate by oral route." might be relevant to your interests.

ah, i see, well then i guess a simple thank you is due to you sir.

[schwellington]

correct normal clost a may not be impressive- but as we all know methylation drastically changes a hormone

[jbryand101b]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13431974
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13574260
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4777385
http://www.eje-online.org/content/34/2_Suppla/S139.short

A bunch of studies on Clostebol.

yea, i was unable to see anything on any of those, except the last one, which looked to be the introduction only.