running first PH cycle.. NEED HELP!!! PLEASE!

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  1. running first PH cycle.. NEED HELP!!! PLEASE!

    so im currently deployed in afghan and im planning on running my first PH cycle but im so data overloaded with all the research ive done over the last week im not sure what to do!!
    first off im 23, 5'9'', 170. ive been lifting heavily and eating cleanly for around 7 years now and im in really good shape as far as strength and cutness but want to pack on some weight.. ive ran a test cypionate cycle once about a year ago but ran it for about 3 weeks by itself! luckily i didnt have any horrible side effects.. so needlessly to say im trying to do my research and use the correct PCT and OCT..

    which brings me to what i have for supps..
    -2x AI cycle support
    -3x LG formadrol xtreme
    -2x inhibit e
    -1x lean xtreme
    -1x liver assist
    -2x CEL M-drol
    -2x CEL H-drol
    -2x Myopharma arimedexin PCT

    everytime i think i have a cycle down i read contradicting info about doses or proper PCT.. im leaning towards a M-drol cycle now but im completley lost about dose, and if i even have the proper PCT's!

    could you please help me put together a decent cycle?!!

  2. Without having a SERM on hand I would run the hdrol for 6 weeks max if you are looking to start asap. If you can get a SERM soon you could run a bottle of mdrol. You can run your liver and cycle support thru the cycle and use your PCT support, lean xtreme and formadrol for PCT and be fine if you do the hdrol. I would recommend a SERM for either cycle personally though.

  3. whats a good SERM and where could i get it?

  4. i just ordered all my supps and im still waiting for them so i have a few days at least to get everything str8t.. and what would be the recomended doses for the cycle? ive read every variation i could find on doses and support supps and im a little confused to say the least!

  5. You can't ask where to get stuff on here, but if you take a look at the links in the forums you may find a good source for your research chemical/SERM needs. I like nolva for most SERM choices, Clomid when I use tren.
    Start the hdrol at 50mg a day, bump to 75mg around week three and if sides are low and gains are good, bump to 100 and see how you like that, for your last week or two. If you run it longer than 6 weeks or higher than 100 I would definitely grab a SERM.

  6. With your support supps, follow what the bottle says. Liver support I usually run higher though. What kinda liver support do you have?

  7. Liver Assist XT by serious nutrition solutions

  8. and im geussing the novadex xt by gaspari is garbage..

  9. ok so i found nolva.. how do i run it?

  10. Nolva is to be run 20/20/10/10. I would use the Liver XT in pct. Use Hawthorn berry to pre-load before cycle starts. Take cycle support/assist through 6 weeks of Hdrol Cycle. Don't start with M-drol.

  11. Hdrol is still going to affect your liver values, I would run a support from day 1 of the cyycle all the way through PCT. Milk thistle is pretty easyy to come by.

  12. Cycle assist/support has milk thistle in it. That should be sufficient to run for 6 weeks on cycle, no extra liver supps are needed. The only time it is necessary to add additional liver supps is when you use stuff like mdrol.

  13. should i start the nolva at the end of the cycle or 2 weeks b4? and what the difference between the h-drol and m-drol?

  14. Start nolva after cycle. H-drol isn't as harsh a methyl as m-drol, which is a superdrol clone and the most toxic one out there. You definitely want to start with something less toxic like hdrol. You should see pretty decent gains.

  15. preciate the advice.. prolly jus saved me from gettin moobs.. nobody likes moobs! and from what im getting is that h-drol has more mass gaining potential but is a slightly wetter gain. wheras m-drol is a 10 lb. + or - dry gain but is highly toxic. my question is will i be able to keep the majority of the gains (-5 lbs or so) off h-drol if its gaining potential is due to water rention? or is there a non-methlylated PH i can stack it with to combat the water retention?

  16. It's funny it says that, I've read that somewhere before but trust me m-drol is a wet wet gainer, and you have to kill yourself in the gym and keep up on your diet to hold onto your gains, and will lose a lot right away to water weight.
    H-drol I've never had a problem keeping that weight on as long as I was still lifting and eating above maintenance, nothing major. I actually think h-drol kinda recomped me, I gained and looked more cut too.
    I wouldn't worry about stacking PH's for the first run. If you do want to keep the water retention/estrogen sides at an extreme minimum, I've always liked Formestane by CEL. There are other good versions of it too, and Erase is another good AI. If I run an AI on cycle I usually wait til I'm half way through my cycle and then run it all the way through PCT.

    If you eat right and train hard, you can expect at least 10 pounds increase from the h-drol.

  17. There are so many things wrong with the post. Anyway

    1. Hdrol is a dry compound, it is generally used to lean out or when recomping.

    2. Mdrol can be both a dry and wet compound, however the results will depend on diet. Basically, it is a good bulker and cutter.

    3. PH shouldn't be stacked until each one is run solo. If you stack them, you won't know which compound is affecting you if adverse sides occur.

    4. An AI (Erase) is not needed with Hdrol because it doesn't aromatizes, however can be used in PCT with Mdrol.

    5. If you want to stack Hdrol with something, look at 11-oxo.

    6. Be smart, because its your body. Do your research and make educated decisions.

  18. hey bro, not trying to flame you, you are taking peeps advice and that's good. but what concerns me is that you said you did your research and yet didn't have a serm lined up and asked what to run it at. please before you start your cycle, make sure you have everything nailed down. that especially includes diet, a cycle will mean
    nothing if that's not lined up. flex has given some decent advice but i feel you need to do a little more before you actually pull the trigger. other than that, kill that
    sh*t when you start. good luck and god bless you for serving our country man.

  19. well everything i read on the net about serms contradicted the hell out of each other until i found this forum... you guys seem to know a lot more about this than a lot of other forums ive been to! so i figured i would do a memory dump and start new and see what you guys recomended. and the formadrol according to label write ups was supposed to be on par with "prescription aromatase inhibitors like Arimidex(R), while the natural SERM is proved to act in a similar way to Nolvadex"... yeah yeah i know cant beat the tried and true when it comes to your bodies health... got it. nolva it is.

  20. good look on all the help gent's! think i finally have a cycle planned out:

    Pre-load: hawthorn berry
    CEL h-drol: 50/50/75/75/100/100
    Nolva: 20/20/10/10
    wk 5: DS Lean Xtreme
    PCT: SNS inhibit-e, LG formadrol, SNS Liver XT
    and run AI cycle suppt through wk 1 - PCT.

    how should i spread the daily h-drol dosing? let the frenzy begin.... haha
    Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
    It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. - Marianne Williamson

  21. cant comment on the cycle because im just fixing to start my own on h-drol but thank you for your service

  22. Your cycle is abit overboard, especially in relation to all the support supps. Waste of money.

  23. thats what im here for bro... cuz im new to this and i need a lil guidance.. so if its a lil overboard help me out. what can i cut out? im jus tryna do this right..
    Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
    It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. - Marianne Williamson

  24. and what can i take to negate the lathargic syptoms if any can be expected?
    Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
    It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. - Marianne Williamson

  25. 8 am 25 mgs hdrol
    12 pm 4 cycle assist
    4 pm 25 mgs hdrol
    8 pm 4 cycle assist

    when you bump up to 75 mg a day of hdrol, do 50 mg in the AM and 25 in the afternoon

    also from what ive seen on here multiple times, you dont need the inhibit-e for h drol

  26. Pre-load: hawthorn berry
    CEL h-drol: 50/50/75/75/100/100
    AI Cycle support week 1-6

    Nolva: 20/20/10/10
    SNS Liver XT
    DS Lean Xtreme


  27. so what about the lathargic effects? can i still take a preworkout like jack3d? even though it contains creatine monahydrate? and i jus got the h-rol so ill be posting a new thread tracking results with pics soon. thanks for all the help!
    Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
    It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. - Marianne Williamson

  28. You can take the pwo just monitor your bp

  29. This thread is a train wreck of mis information and bad advice
    It should be deleted.

  30. cycle support from start to finish. PCT will be cycle support/test booster / nolva and make sure u dose ur prohormone well ... good luck!


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