Phera/tren, SD/cyanostane, SD/Dimethazine, SD/Hdrol or SD/tren?
- 06-09-2011, 11:28 PM
Phera/tren, SD/cyanostane, SD/Dimethazine, SD/Hdrol or SD/tren?
I am trying to decide which cycle I want to do. The combinations of two methyls are brutal on the liver, but if I could run one somewhat safely id give it a try. Anyways, I was hoping to get a good bulk before the end of summer, hopefully without major fat/water gain.
1.) Theoretical...lol...i know its banned. Assuming I could find some
(prami on cycle, possibly a slight dose of novla ED)
2.) Nutraclipse Raptor (version 1)
3.) Nutraclipse Raptor (version 2)
4.) Phantom Labs Phreak
(prami for prolactin sides)
All cycles would have complete cycle supps, liv.52, liver longer, and a nolva/clomid 5 week PCT. (clomid:100/75/50/50/25, Nolv: 20/20/20/20/10)
Which one do you think would be best to run? In terms of strength and mass gains. I would prefer not to just add a ton of fat/water. I am well aware these arent the safest cycles out there. That SD/DMZ cycle is practically a liver bomb, but it does have killer gains. My friend leaned out and gained 25 lbs on the stuff. The SD/cyano I heard is good for lean gains, and if the cyano doesnt work at least I know the SD does. SD/tren I have heard is great and lean, I would make sure I had prami since I do not want prolactin gyno. The shutdown would be pretty hardcore. I know phera is wet and tren is dry, so idk exactly what type of gains to expect from that.
I dont want to kill my liver or get gyno lol, so I plan on being really careful. Id appreciate any input you guys have. As a disclaimer, I know they arent the safest choices. If anyone ran anything like these thatd be awesome.
- 06-09-2011, 11:40 PM
06-09-2011, 11:43 PM
yeah, 30 mg of SD is pretty high, i would stick with 20mg. and SD/Phera would be ridiculous as far as gains go. then again so would SD/"tren"
06-09-2011, 11:44 PM
Would the phera/sd combo be alright for 4 weeks? I dont expect the liver enzymes to be stellar, but I want to make sure I dont end up with liver damage.
06-09-2011, 11:54 PM
its fine. just dont drink any booze, or eat fast food, stuff like that. eat healthy, drink plenty of water and eat your vegetables
06-10-2011, 12:04 AM
I know most people seem to bridge rather than stack. Would you just split the dosages 10mg each in the morning and 10mg each in the evening?
06-10-2011, 12:28 AM
I would run 20mg of each for 4 weeks with some form of test base for maximum results.
your legal options for that are 4-ad (4dhea), or dermacrine. i'd say andromass, but it has 1-dhea too, and you dont need that, it'll just cause more sides, shut down and a dent in your wallet.
I would split the dosages of the sd/pp, 10mg pre workout, and the other 10mg 8hr apart.
and if I had dermacrine, i'd apply it in the morning, and after i shower post w/o.
if I was running 4-ad, i'd take 200-300mg every 4-5 hours.
06-10-2011, 12:42 AM
Yeah...i don't really have access to test. I know the gains are better, but im kinda stuck with whatever I can get "legally" since I dont have connections around here.
What about gyno on this stack. I know neither is supposed to aromatize on paper, especially SD. I have heard people claim phera is a progestin and also that it is not. At 20mg would prolactin gyno be a huge risk? What about estrogen gyno on cycle?
06-10-2011, 12:45 AM
06-10-2011, 12:49 AM
it is an androgen. sides are a toss up. one should always expect any and all possible side effects from androgenic/anabolic steroids.
and I listed legal forms of test available for you.
sd/phera will bring the most gains and risk. if you want safe, run hd solo.
06-10-2011, 01:26 AM
To prevent gyno i suppose I could run .25 prami ED to cover progestin and maybe 10mg nolva to cover estrogen gyno?
06-10-2011, 05:59 AM
06-10-2011, 12:33 PM
I really appreciate the responses guys. I guess its down to SD/Phera, SD/tren or SD/cyano. For overall muscle mass gain, SD/phera would be the way to go right? I know SD/tren is dry in terms of gains, but shutdown should be pretty severe and I would assume its the highest risk for prolactin gyno. SD/cyano I wouldnt be as worried about.
Also, the phera I could get is magnadrol, so it would be 20mg phera/60mg prostanozol. I read somewhere that prostanozol can help fight the prolactin sides in a manner similar to winstrol.
06-10-2011, 01:35 PM
06-10-2011, 02:46 PM
I have a friend trying to convince me to do sd/dmz. He ran 30 days at 30mg of EACH per day. He got some explosive strength gains and put on 25 lbs with a reduction in body fat. There are stretch marks to prove the mass gains lol. I like the idea of running two products which shouldnt give prolactin sides or aromatize. However, id just worry that the liver stress of the two compounds and a high protein diet, even with liver longer,cycle assist and maybe even liv.52. I mean people even claim serms are hard on the liver.
Would you say sd/dmz is risky but doable or just flat out dangerous? I know they maye products like this now, such as iron labs super-dmz and methadrol extreme (also has mlmg), and people log them...but I don't want liver failure or jaundice, since you only get one liver.
Also would the best muscle gains come from sd/dmz or sd/phera? I know the sd/dmz will be much more dry.
06-10-2011, 03:50 PM
the liver worry isn't a problem. the two compounds do compliment each other in the areas lacking.
i would say 20mg of sd and maybe 30mg of dimeth. but if you feel fine at that, i see no problem in 30mg of sd as well.
I would still say sd & phera would be a stronger combo. i wouldn't expect to gain 20lbs. that sounds unusual. even for sd/phera/test combo.
maybe not for sd/anadrol, but sd/dimeth, two non aromatizable compounds, na, I dont believe it unless it was his first cycle
and by the way, all androgens have the ability to bind to the progestin receptor.
06-10-2011, 04:28 PM
06-10-2011, 06:29 PM
So its between:
2.) Mstane and magnadrol(prostanz/phera)
Phera:30/30/30/30/30/30 (possibly 2 weeks extra, maybe at 20mg throughout)
I found a log of phera/sd. Gains were steady, strength was not as explosive as sd solo but endurance was better. The sd/dmz seems lean and explosive in terms of strrngth.
What do you guys think?
06-10-2011, 06:47 PM
4 weeks of sd/phara would definitely give some sick gains but dont you think it would be hard to keep a lot of these gains because they are being made in such a short amount of time? isnt that why bridging from sd to other compounds (such as epi) has become so popular?
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06-10-2011, 08:56 PM
sd's vida rating is 400/20, dimethazine's vida rating is 210/96.
now, one should take these ratings with a grain of salt, as i know the dimethazine rating is from intra muscular injection administration, cant remember about the sd. my copy of vida was lost when my hardrive on my other laptop crashed. anywho,
it's anybodies guess what the compound becomes in the body after oral administration, but d/t the nitrogen bond, it becomes something alot different than superdrol.
06-10-2011, 09:58 PM
Yeah...im figuring the strength gains are going to be more durastic with sd/dmz. I might go with this, especially since gains should be dry.
06-11-2011, 12:45 AM
06-11-2011, 11:43 AM
Im pretty excited. And yes...it was his first real cycle I believe. Kept all of the gains with otc pct...which is pretty crazy
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