Exact replica cycle = exact replica results?

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  1. Exact replica cycle = exact replica results?


    Hello all, I will be starting my cycle of H-drol soon looking to gain around 12-13 pounds hopefully, but I have a question regarding future cycles. I know that time off should always = time on + PCT, but my question here is this:


    If I take H-drol 50/75/75/75/75/75 and then go through PCT and I gain and keep 12 pounds (just an estimate,) then 3 months later I run the SAME cycle of H-drol at 50/75/75/75/75/75 with the same training intensity, slightly more calories, could I still gain 12 pounds from the second cycle as well?

    Sorry if that question was confusing.


  2. possibly, however, as you gain more and more muscle, the amount of muscle gained on cycle will SLOWLY be less, im assuming your just starting cycling so chances are-= yeah


    what i mean is the closer you are to your genetic limit, the harder it becomes to gain muscle even with roids- without roids you cant break through your genetic limit, with roids- you can but it's still hard
    Test e/dbol/epi/winnie
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/164764-schwellington-has-been.html
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  3. Alright, well I am currently 6'4 225 pounds so I am guessing I have a pretty good ways to go before I am anywhere near a genetic limit. Ideally I would like to get to about 250 within two cycles of H-drol which I am hoping isn't an unreasonable goal.

  4. Well said Schwell.

  5. at 6'4 185, you don't even need H-drol.

    you need food.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post
    at 6'4 185, you don't even need H-drol.

    you need food.
    Thanks.


    Now back to my discussion please.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by kyled427 View Post
    Thanks.


    Now back to my discussion please.
    Why brush off that comment? Do you feel it is an unfair representation?

  8. I think the more food thing is quite reasonable.

  9. These kind of threads are hilarious. Guys you just have to ask a simple question. How OLD are you?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Why brush off that comment? Do you feel it is an unfair representation?
    maybe cos he is just looking for some info not a soap box preach session about what weight is the best to start a cycle and all that bull****.

    OP generally it is accepted that your first cycle is your best.. because you have, as they say, 'virgin receptors'. i thikn it is extremely optimistic to expect to get up to 210 lbs from hdrol alone, i have never heard of someone making gains of 12lbs even on their very first cycle of hdrol, that is superdrol territory really.. and as someone mentioned the more muscle mass you have the slower you gain, this is true for steroids as well. you will still of course gain 10x faster then natural but your gains will slow. you are obviously not gona be gainins 12 lbs on every successive cycle you have to expect gaint o slow

  11. I'm 22, thank again.

    Now to on the run, I appreciate your help. I was just curious how it works, if I run a cycle in the future it'll likely be something different than H-drol. I was asking because if my run of h-drol went really well I'd like to duplicate the results.

    Damn, you'd think I just asked if it was okay to take at age 15 with the answers I'm getting.

  12. It's not impossible for you to get to 210lbs using Hdrol. If you increase your food intake, it shouldn't be an issue for you at all. Once you get to that weight, then you will struggle to put on extra weight.

    Also, forgot to add if your looking at bulking (which obviously you are) another mild ph which is good for it is P-mag. Have a read about it on tunedsport , thats providing you haven't bought the Hdrol yet.

    What were you thinking about doing for PCT? And what support supps are you going to use?

  13. Wow, guy is 185lbs at 6'4'' and going the steroid path already.

    If you're 185 you clearly do not have enough lifting experience; if you did, you would be a lot heavier than 185. You also clearly do not have your nutrition down, as if you did, you would be a lot heavier than 185. You clearly are no where close to plateauing as you could probably masturbate and gain muscle at that weight. You are also clearly not at the psychological maturity needed to run something like this.

    You are absolutely taking the complete wrong approach at this. Steroids are not gonna do the job on its own. You are only going to hurt yourself and make it harder for you in the future, when you ACTUALLY do hit the plateaus that steroids help break. The reasons why you are taking steroids are no where near the right ones; you are merely looking for a quick and easy way out and it will not work, especially because if you don't have the nutrition / training down, any gains that you do accomplish with the steroids will be lost as soon as you come out of the cycle.

    But since you have shown to be stubborn regarding this and do not really wanna listen to anyone who is not telling you "go ahead, roid you a$$ off", I'm sure you will just respond something as "thanks, moving along to my question now". So good luck, you're going to need it.
    Androhard + Andromass Log
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/182038-so-i-decided.html

  14. I read on the P-mag for a little while, just saw more people using the h-drol as a first cycle and was considering the p-mag for a second cycle. I'm trying to stay really lean while I do this bulk.

    As far as PCT I was going to do nolva 20/20/10/10 and dose DAS 3G/day starting the third week of PCT.

    Support supps I was looking at CEL cycle assist throughout the cycle and PCT, milk thistle, Hawthorne berry, 5g fish oil, multi, and some taurine on hand. Glad to take any other suggestions too.

  15. @bla55: thanks, next question.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by kyled427 View Post

    Support supps I was looking at CEL cycle assist throughout the cycle and PCT, milk thistle, Hawthorne berry, 5g fish oil, multi, and some taurine on hand. Glad to take any other suggestions too.
    Not really or else you would not have shrugged off everything a bunch of people have been saying.
    Androhard + Andromass Log
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/182038-so-i-decided.html

  17. Btw for my diet I am looking at ~4200 calories per day with 200+ protein 90+ fat and the rest from some whole grain carbs and natural sugars from fruits, milk, etc.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by kyled427 View Post
    @bla55: thanks, next question.
    Quote Originally Posted by kyled427 View Post
    Damn, you'd think I just asked if it was okay to take at age 15 with the answers I'm getting.
    Maybe you're not 15, but you sure sound like someone that age.

    Good luck, hope you don't screw yourself over for good because of this. I will not waste any more words.
    Androhard + Andromass Log
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/182038-so-i-decided.html

  19. You shouldn't. I read words are anabolic, you should keep them.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by kyled427 View Post
    You shouldn't. I read words are anabolic, you should keep them.
    Perhaps that's why you're still at 185lbs? For talking so much out of your a$$?
    Androhard + Andromass Log
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/182038-so-i-decided.html

  21. Nope perhaps I just have different goals than you. Not everyone wants to be huge, if that's what you desire then so be it, my goals just aren't the same.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by kyled427 View Post
    I read on the P-mag for a little while, just saw more people using the h-drol as a first cycle and was considering the p-mag for a second cycle. I'm trying to stay really lean while I do this bulk.

    As far as PCT I was going to do nolva 20/20/10/10 and dose DAS 3G/day starting the third week of PCT.

    Support supps I was looking at CEL cycle assist throughout the cycle and PCT, milk thistle, Hawthorne berry, 5g fish oil, multi, and some taurine on hand. Glad to take any other suggestions too.
    Cycle assist is good to be run on cycle. I would preload 1-2 weeks using the Hawthorne Berry and instead of running cycle assist in PCT, I would just run liv52. It is much more cost effective. Your PCT in regards to NOLVA looks good and it seems that you have done your research.

    This is from personal experience, I would probably run something like Lean Xtreme in PCT to control cortisol and to help maintain your gains. Other than that, everything is good. However, the other guys on this thread have a point. You can't reach your goals by taking the easy way out, you need to get your diet and training in check. Lol, it took me almost 2 years to understand how my body feels and when to adjust/alter my food to help it recover. Diet plays a great part in body building.

  23. I know, I've always put a great emphasis on the diet and training part of my work. I appreciate you giving me advice and doing it in an informative way instead of just dismissing the idea entirely. I have a reason for why I intend to go this route, I just choose not to explain that here for personal reasons.

  24. That's fair enough mate, I guess there a lot of variables affecting people in different ways when it comes to bodybuilding. Anyway, if you need advise just ask. I'm actually planning to do a hdrol cycle soon and I will be adding 11-oxo aswell, however still contemplating whether to also include xtren. Owell the cycle is planned well either way and will begin in 2 months. There are so many choices which make it too confusing.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by on the run View Post
    maybe cos he is just looking for some info not a soap box preach session about what weight is the best to start a cycle and all that bull****.
    All that "bull****" seems pretty relevant, no? If somebody came on this forum and said, "Hey guys, I am going to jump a motorcycle over the Grand Canyon!" asking whether or not they have ever ridden a motorcycle before seems like a pertinent question to ask.

    In this case, somebody asking him why he progressed so little prior to turning to steroids seems equally as relevant - you know, considering that weightlifting progress, dietary knowledge, etc., are part and parcel of properly doing steroids in the first place.
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