I feel for ya man, cus I went through trials and errors with some or no results for some time.. One things for sure that I learned is that all these oral PH/designers or what-have-you are just not time tested enough, and from the majority of user responses I see, they are not at all happy with the results, and those things are a HUGE money sink if your not gonna be satisfied ya know? Its just like if you want to look like Arnold, best bet is to take what he took rather than something muscletech is pushing at GNC.. Not an exact analogy, but you get the concept. the builders back from the 60's-90's were already great lab rats and the results are in. Don't risk it anymore, especially when there's plenty already posted that all the result-based designers are the most dangerous/toxic/poison.