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I am currently on a cutting cycle, consisting of both m-dien and m4ohn. It was originally going to consist of m40hn and m-dien, but the m4ohn was snapped up by customs on the first delivery attempt. I started out on m-dien as I had given up on the possibility of receiving the m4ohn, so started up at a higher dosage of m-dien than I originally intended. (Original cycle was going to be 12mg m4ohn to start, and 6mg m-dien to start) I started out the m-dien at 9mg per day, and was tolerating that dosage nicely, with no sides after just over a week on. After being on m-dien for a week, my m4ohn arrived, so I decided to make it a dual androgen cutting cycle of m-dien and m4ohn.
I started out the m-dien at 9mg/day, and have kept it consistently dosed at that level for the 18 days of the cycle. The m4ohn I started at 12mg/day, and have ramped up to 20mg/day over the course of 10 days. I can't say I've really seen anything in the way of results as far as pumps or strength are concerned, but have seen an increase in vascularity and an increased leaning out effect, as well as a slight muscle hardening.
My problem is in concern with what would appear to be the onset of gyno symptoms over the last few days. At first my nipples were appearing a bit puffier than normal (they are always a bit on the puffy side), so I started on nolva at 40mg/day, as well as a bit of topical formestane to see if that would help to reduce some of the puffiness as well. I'm into day 3 or 4 into the nolva, and while the extra puffiness has subsided, I'm starting to notice that my left nipple is pretty tender feeling, and upon further inspection it appears as though a second lump (I have one pre-existing lump already) under my left areola has begun to form.
I've read in various threads on the board that novla is supposed to be effective at combatting progesterone/prolactin induced gyno if dosed soon enough. How long should it take for it to start working in this regard? As I haven't seen any reduction in this second lump and the tenderness continues, I plan to increase the nolva dose up to 80mg/day.
Which one of these compounds is most likely to be causing this issue? I didn't notice any problems on the m-dien by itself in the first 8 days of the cycle, but can't say for certain that it's not the cause of this as others have also had similar issues from m-dien alone, and it could have taken this long for the symptoms to appear. I surmise it's also possible that the combination of these two has led to the tenderness. I am going to drop one of the compounds and continue with the other, but any opinions as far as which one would most likely be causing the tenderness are greatly welcome.
I think I might have a bottle of vitex hiding somewhere at home, so I'll have to dig around for that. As far as items like bromo and proviron are concered, I don't have access to those so they aren't an option. Will high dose B6 be of any use whatsoever at this point, or is that more of a preventative measure?
If this doesn't improve any over the next few days this cycle is over. That being said, would I want to continue the nolva at 80mg/day for the first few days of pct?
I started out the m-dien at 9mg/day, and have kept it consistently dosed at that level for the 18 days of the cycle. The m4ohn I started at 12mg/day, and have ramped up to 20mg/day over the course of 10 days. I can't say I've really seen anything in the way of results as far as pumps or strength are concerned, but have seen an increase in vascularity and an increased leaning out effect, as well as a slight muscle hardening.
My problem is in concern with what would appear to be the onset of gyno symptoms over the last few days. At first my nipples were appearing a bit puffier than normal (they are always a bit on the puffy side), so I started on nolva at 40mg/day, as well as a bit of topical formestane to see if that would help to reduce some of the puffiness as well. I'm into day 3 or 4 into the nolva, and while the extra puffiness has subsided, I'm starting to notice that my left nipple is pretty tender feeling, and upon further inspection it appears as though a second lump (I have one pre-existing lump already) under my left areola has begun to form.
I've read in various threads on the board that novla is supposed to be effective at combatting progesterone/prolactin induced gyno if dosed soon enough. How long should it take for it to start working in this regard? As I haven't seen any reduction in this second lump and the tenderness continues, I plan to increase the nolva dose up to 80mg/day.
Which one of these compounds is most likely to be causing this issue? I didn't notice any problems on the m-dien by itself in the first 8 days of the cycle, but can't say for certain that it's not the cause of this as others have also had similar issues from m-dien alone, and it could have taken this long for the symptoms to appear. I surmise it's also possible that the combination of these two has led to the tenderness. I am going to drop one of the compounds and continue with the other, but any opinions as far as which one would most likely be causing the tenderness are greatly welcome.
I think I might have a bottle of vitex hiding somewhere at home, so I'll have to dig around for that. As far as items like bromo and proviron are concered, I don't have access to those so they aren't an option. Will high dose B6 be of any use whatsoever at this point, or is that more of a preventative measure?
If this doesn't improve any over the next few days this cycle is over. That being said, would I want to continue the nolva at 80mg/day for the first few days of pct?
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