How much STRENGTH did you gain off M1T?
- 07-20-2004, 11:36 PM
- 07-21-2004, 12:17 AM
- 07-21-2004, 02:59 AM
I went from hitting 315 bench as a max to hitting it 4x!!! I remember the first time m1t really kicked in i had this kid from the gym spot me on 315 and i told him watch me for 1 or 2...then after i hit it 4 times he was like what the hell is up with that....i just told him i hadnt maxed in awhile
07-21-2004, 11:09 AM
December I was doing 225x6 on bench
Curling standing and strict form 35x8
Squating ****ty form 185x8
3 m1t cycles later 2 @4 weeks and this current on @2 weeks
Bench 365x1 or 315x8
Curling standing and strict form 55x8
Squating Pretty good form 315x8
07-21-2004, 01:52 PM
Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
Thats insane, what were your dosages on those 3?
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07-21-2004, 03:27 PM
07-21-2004, 03:46 PM
First cycle was 20mg ed
Second 30mg ed
Third 20mg ed then down to 15 for second week cause I couldn't stand the back pain any longer.
Diet Was about 300-350 grams of protein a day and about 350-450 carbs a day. Now I cut carbs to about 250 a day but I keep the protein at about 250. close to half of those are through shakes. 2 scoops of ON whey, 1 bananna and 1 scoop of peanutbutter. rest is through chicken and on occassion tuna.
Hardly any cardio though which was my huge screw up. I'm 5'8" at 225 currently on m1t and creatine etc before the cycle I was 215-218ish. This will be my last cycle of m1t for a bit simple because it's time I get some cardio done and lose this body fat.
07-21-2004, 03:47 PM
also wanted t6o add prior to december I never did any legs what so ever so that accounts for some of the gains
i've always gained strength and size easily but the fat comes right along with it...May have something to do
with the sweet tooth I have
07-21-2004, 08:26 PM
Ive been through 1 cycle:
Week1: 10mg ED
Week2: 15mg ED
I went from 190-205. The only thing I maxed was bench (I dont check maxes often) and it went from 225x8-255x8. Im now 2 weeks into pct and I got 270x6 today.(Took a 6 day break from working out because of vacation, otherwise id probably be at 280x6)
My muscle was fairly lean and its all kept so far, actually still getting stronger. I got no sides so I was very happy. Gonna do another cycle down the road.
I think one reason I gained pretty fast was the fact I was the strong a while ago, but lost a lot of muslce, so up to about now its been muscle memory helping me out Hopefully i still keep gaining the way I am.
07-23-2004, 07:15 PM
****, my joints hurt so bad on that crap, I couldn't max on anything but lifting an Advil bottle.. I think I got my flax bottle for 10000000 reps one day..
**** M1T!! Tren for life!
07-23-2004, 07:38 PM
I agree with BigPete, joint aches and lethargy worked counter to the 10-15 lb weight gain...so overall i would say the sides were not worth it. Sticking with 1-T ethergels or 1-AD, anything better out there?
07-23-2004, 07:39 PM
07-23-2004, 07:48 PM
07-23-2004, 07:49 PM
07-23-2004, 07:51 PM
Thats a stupid ass response from someone who is smarter than that (I followed your lab tests)...not all of us have time to read the entire internet. This board is for discussion, if you don't have a reasonable response...don't answer there tough guy.
07-23-2004, 07:58 PM
Chill out, before this gets all un-pretty-like..
M1T is a better product than the ones mentioned, but and I mean BUT, the gains don't make up for the sides.. Sure, you'll gain all this weight in such short time with 10mg, but I'd rather go with M5aa or M1,4 if I wanted good solid pumps that didn't hurt my knees and elbows..
Ethergels? They still make that?
07-23-2004, 08:02 PM
07-23-2004, 08:17 PM
I found I have little to no sides on m1t at 15mg a day except my shoulders
get this pain in them that is unreal. It isn't joint pain but in the muscle like the lactic acid is doing a tango in my shoulders.
I don't take any pain medications because I don't want to injure myself and not know the full effect of what I had just done.
07-24-2004, 05:53 PM
Agreed. Tren is so much better at 75-100mg ed. You don't get sleepy, I thought I was Rip Van Winkle when I was on M1t. When I was on m1t I took 10 grams of msm, 10 grams of glucosamine, and 10 grams of chondrotion, along with this new stuff called ASU and I had no connective tissue problems at all. (I know you might think I went a little over board on stuff for my connective tissues but I have to keep them healthy, I can't get hurt)Originally Posted by bigpetefox
07-25-2004, 09:20 PM
The gains may not make up for YOUR sides, but it did for mine (Seemed like lowered appetite and slight slight acne increase, thats about it)Originally Posted by bigpetefox
07-26-2004, 07:51 AM
I had that happen to me during my last cycle at 15mg ed. The pumps in my shoulders during my workouts were unreal, and afterwards, the lactaic acid was very noticeable.Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
07-26-2004, 02:12 PM
The problem wouldn't be so bad if it was just when I was doing shoulder
routines but I get the same burn if I am holding a phone up to my ear for a couple of minutes
the same if I am military pressing 225. Annoying more than anything.
07-26-2004, 05:11 PM
The pain would be so bad for me at times that after a lift, I would have to stretch in certain positions to help eliviate it. But, I never cried, at least not in front of the other bros in the gym.
07-26-2004, 05:25 PM
I went up at least 15lbs+ plus across the board. However, it did take a toll on my joints. I have not been on m1t since april and my left elbow still has pain. Sure it made my strength explode, but my joints could not keep up. Being 32 probably does not help
I still do not do flat bench b/c my elbow and right shoulder pain. Getting better though.
07-26-2004, 09:24 PM
07-28-2004, 08:53 PM
I had no strength gains at all on M1T. Too many sides, I was only able to stay on a week before I had to make an emergency visit to the doctor because my piss was blood red. I am still paying off the doctors bill, and they couldn't tell me what was wrong. I felt like **** after the first 2 days, couldn't eat, couldn't sleep, the smell of food made me sick. Oh well its over now. I don't remember the dosage, but I would rather forget everything about it.
07-28-2004, 09:39 PM
Seems improbable that the m1t alone if you were in good health would do all that unless
you were taking a huge amount. You don't remember the dosage but that is key, imho anyways.
07-29-2004, 12:11 AM
I agree with jayhawk on this one. must have been some other underlying problem...unless you were taking insane amounts of the stuff but you dont remember so that would also suggest you didnt know what you were doing because an informed person would remember or at least have a ballpark figure...Originally Posted by T-Bone
07-29-2004, 06:16 PM
No I did know what I was doing. It was 20 mg. I started with 20 because I just don't respond to lower doses of anything. Yeah there could have been something elese that contributed to it, but I will never know. The doctors couldn't even tell me what was wrong. I was also taking vasopro with it, about 4 a day. I think that may have been it. I still would like to know what was wrong. The doctors couldn't tell though, and I don't want to waste money and go back to the doctors and ask what the hell was wrong with me. The doctor on the phone with my results from my renal ct said it could have just been a sore muscle in the back. How is that gonna cause me to piss blood though?. Its gone now but WTF?. I don't know guys, your guess is as good as mine. I did plenty of research and was well informed before I took it. I know 20 mg is a bit high to start with, so I was reluctant to post that. I just don't know, maybe my body just can't handle such a toxic substance.
07-29-2004, 06:51 PM
My apologies for thinking you were uninformed...20mgs wouldnt do that...just wondering if it was like 100+ mgs or something crazy like that.
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