Injectin Steroids Sub-Q, YESS !

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  1. I agree (Jasen) but these guys mentioned lateral thigh - hardly any "fat" there but I tend to agree, sure seems like there would still be "some" distance to the muscle.


  2. I have seen only few ppl who are not pros that have little bf on thights, mostppl carry fat there aswell which would alone make slins useless
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  3. See how I killed a popular theory if slins work then y the fvk have we been using 1in and 1.5in we have just jabbed ourselfs .2in all along

  4. Jasen also aint believe in Aspiration !

  5. What do you think about this J?

    Saudi Med J. 2006 Dec;27(12):1843-6

    Subcutaneous administration of testosterone. A pilot study report.Al-Futaisi AM, Al-Zakwani IS, Almahrezi AM, Morris D.
    Department of Medicine, College of Medicine & Health Sciences, PO Box 35, Postal Code 123, Al-Khod, Sultanate of Oman. Tel. +968 99475401. Tel/Fax. +968 24413419. E-mail: [email protected].

    OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of low doses of subcutaneous testosterone in hypogonadal men since the intramuscular route, which is the most widely used form of testosterone replacement therapy, is inconvenient to many patients. METHODS: All men with primary and secondary hypogonadism attending the reproductive endocrine clinic at Royal Victoria Hospital, Monteral, Quebec, Canada, were invited to participate in the study. Subjects were enrolled from January 2002 till December 2002. Patients were asked to self-administer weekly low doses of testosterone enanthate using 0.5 ml insulin syringe. RESULTS: A total of 22 patients were enrolled in the study. The mean trough was 14.48 +/- 3.14 nmol/L and peak total testosterone was 21.65 +/- 7.32 nmol/L. For the free testosterone the average trough was 59.94 +/- 20.60 pmol/L and the peak was 85.17 +/- 32.88 pmol/L. All of the patients delivered testosterone with ease and no local reactions were reported. CONCLUSION: Therapy with weekly subcutaneous testosterone produced serum levels that were within the normal range in 100% of patients for both peak and trough levels. This is the first report, which demonstrated the efficacy of delivering weekly testosterone using this cheap, safe, and less painful subcutaneous route.
    STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED
    WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE
    INJECTIONS
    M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang
    Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University,
    Hamilton, ON, Canada
    Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement
    has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide
    variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous
    (SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however,
    its physiological effects are unclear. We therefore investigated
    the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using
    SC therapy. Patients and methods: Between May and
    September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving
    10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism.
    Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for
    41 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with
    testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL
    200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior
    abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated
    to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks.
    Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration
    is not officially approved by Health Canada. T
    levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection
    during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection
    in week 6 and 8. At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels
    were measured however; the week 12 data are still being
    collected. Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T
    was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit
    0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During
    the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in
    pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l
    (p0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T
    (25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1
    (27.46+12.91 nmol/l). Patients tolerated this therapy with
    no adverse effects. Conclusions: A once-week SC injection
    of 50–100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and
    stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers
    fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of
    medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term
    clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further
    evaluation.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    See how I killed a popular theory if slins work then y the fvk have we been using 1in and 1.5in we have just jabbed ourselfs .2in all along
    All you did was show that you didn't bother to research the topic. If anything, all the subQ injection will do is to prolong the effects since it will take slightly longer to cleave the ester. This is medical information based off of empricial evidence. That holds a little bit more weight than your 15s extrapolation. Also, if you don't have any sites that can be pinned with a 1/2" slin pin, then you need to get off your ass and do some more cardio. Delts, pecs, triceps, lateral thighs, medial thighs, etc. All of these areas should have very little fat if our actually have some muscle and aren't just using "bulking" as an excuse to be fat.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  7. Not to mention injecting smaller volumes more frequently is a means of controlling estrogen in itself.

    Whacked have you tried it yet?

    I have pinned 2 delts, 2 thighs, 1 bicep, and 1 chest so far with the slins since the last one and 1 shot in the thigh with a 1"er. Can you tell which one I like better? lol. So f*cking easy and I am fearless to inject anywhere on my body with slins. I'm gonna try traps and lats as well.

    I also am not backloading. Slins draw and shoot on their own.

  8. CM, 2 questions for you here

    1- Injecting with SlinPin many times, can you get scar tissues ?

    2- how would you do 750mg a week ? how would you separate like 175 x 4 a week ?
    Left Delt, Right Delt, Left thigh, Right thigh?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    CM, 2 questions for you here

    1- Injecting with SlinPin many times, can you get scar tissues ?
    Very unlikely. If you check out the anti-aging section here there are some guys who do their TRT using slins just so they do not get scar tissue as they are pinning for life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    2- how would you do 750mg a week ? how would you separate like 175 x 4 a week ?
    Left Delt, Right Delt, Left thigh, Right thigh?
    How is your Test dosed? 200mg/ml, 250mg/ml, 300mg/ml, or 350mg/ml?
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  10. 250/ml

    and wouldn't the oil come out ???

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    250/ml

    and wouldn't the oil come out ???
    I suggest you get 28g 1cc slins. You can do:

    1) .75cc shots 4x a week
    2) .6cc shots 5x a week
    etc etc...

    There are so many easy possible injection sites with slins I don't even mind doing it ED. And I am not shooting in the belly lol. I plan to shoot everywhere shown on here http://spotinjections.com/ except glutes and calf. Already done chest, bi's, delts, and thighs. PS if you have never injected into a certain muscle expect it to be soar the next day because the muscle is not use to the volume added to it. It will go away after 1-2 injections in the same spot.

    Up to you how you want to divide 3cc/per week. You can even do 1cc with a bigger needle and 2cc with slins. Many options.

    Oil does not come out at all for me but my volume injected is smaller than yours because I'm doing 500mg/week and my Test is 350mg/ml. Just keep the slin injected for 10 seconds after the oil is out of the syringe and press hard with alcohol swab on injection site and no oil should come out.

  12. so technically if slin is possible theres no.need.to.go 1in in to quad muscle?

  13. Im confused on something still, if I wanted to inject 500mg a wk for instance how would I go about that? A little each day in a diff.muscle? Are there.any bloods to.prove this theory?

  14. No - I wussed out. LOL

    I didnt want to waste my weekly Test Inject as I wasnt convinced
    the 1/2" would work to get the beloved Test in my system LOL

    Keep me posted =- please!

    Since I will be an "injector for life"; the ramifications of using slin pins vs swords (lol) is huge!

    PS: Nice studies posted


    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    Whacked have you tried it yet?

    I have pinned 2 delts, 2 thighs, 1 bicep, and 1 chest so far with the slins since the last one and 1 shot in the thigh with a 1"er. Can you tell which one I like better? lol. So f*cking easy and I am fearless to inject anywhere on my body with slins. I'm gonna try traps and lats as well.

    I also am not backloading. Slins draw and shoot on their own.

  15. Yeah I am farrrrr from convinced as wellit for starters id.like to.see.some bloods with a control and non.control.group

  16. How does an interesting thread like this not spark interest????

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    How does an interesting thread like this not spark interest????
    It's like I said in my first post, this is really old information.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  18. Well I guess I will update you guys since this was bumped...

    Finishing week 3 of Test E 350mg/ml injected 4x a week @ .35cc to hit 500mg/week rotating delts and chest. I really like those spots.

    I am a horn dog as expected and ugly women have become sexy in my eyes.

    I am weighing in at 199 (+9 lbs).

    Pumps are getting really good.

    Size is starting to come on. I have the ol "You got bigger!!" comments coming more often.

    Have not needed an AI.

    I have my vacation coming in 3 weeks so I also added Katanadrol v2 (Orastan A) yesterday at 350mg to give some winny like effects.

    It's safe to say I am not doing anymore IM injections unless I want lots of volume injected at one time.

  19. so wait. wait. I could inject 350mgs test c subq (NOT INTO MUSCLE)?

    im assuming this would work for mast p
    npp
    tren etc?


    interesting

    i dont mind IM, but SUbq is easier....waiting for a response


    subdizzle mah nizzles
    Test e/dbol/epi/winnie
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/164764-schwellington-has-been.html

  20. well that's what the research says, but I wouldn't do it because I don't want to waste my stuff

    the only way we can really find out is if 2 people go on cycle, one IM and one SUBQ and they get their blood checked, that would answer

  21. I'll go with the ol' saying "if it ain't broke why replace it". IM injections for me, but I have the added advantage of having a numb right leg
    To get un-naturally big, you gotta do un-natural things

  22. Quote Originally Posted by schwellington View Post
    so wait. wait. I could inject 350mgs test c subq (NOT INTO MUSCLE)?
    im assuming this would work for mast p, npp, tren etc?
    i dont mind IM, but SUbq is easier....waiting for a response
    subdizzle mah nizzles
    Yup, that's the theory here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    well that's what the research says, but I wouldn't do it because I don't want to waste my stuff
    the only way we can really find out is if 2 people go on cycle, one IM and one SUBQ and they get their blood checked, that would answer
    I hear ya but CHOC has offered some interesting/compelling feedback for sure (experienced user); although this debatre will never end until someone does the lab work to substantiate any differences.

    Moral of the story? Try it for yourself.

    Keep in mind, CHOC looks pretty lean. I would guess that if you are over 15% this practice may not hit muscle. Pure speculation on my part.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    well that's what the research says, but I wouldn't do it because I don't want to waste my stuff

    the only way we can really find out is if 2 people go on cycle, one IM and one SUBQ and they get their blood checked, that would answer
    This seriously is the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. So, according to your logic, 2 blood tests from 2 random dudes on a forum have more bearing than a peer-reviewed, published scientific study?

    In a world where everyone always ask for research behind their rationale, it boggles my mind that there are 2 separate studies regarding this topic, yet they're disregarded.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  24. Whacked you are right I am hitting muscle when I am injecting into delts and chest.

    I have no doubt subQ works, it is proven, and many TRT patients use this method.

    This is the moral of the story for me:

    You can use an insulin syringe to inject Test oil. If you reach muscle, it is an IM injection. If you do not, and you inject into fat, the studies show that is fine as well and the oil will get absorbed just like a normal IM shot. So, there is no need for 1" and 1.5" needles.

    It's not really about fixing something that is not broken. It's more like innovating an octagon shaped wheel into a circle for better movement.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    It's more like innovating an octagon shaped wheel into a circle for better movement.
    YO CHOC: What's with the deep philosophical BS?

    LOL

    I hit both pecs today with Test (1/3rd of a cc each).

    In the past, I'd hit pecs with a 1 inch pin. I'd be sore the next few days. So, this will be interesting to see how I feel pain wise tomorrow. Will keep an eye on other effects as well.

  26. whacked, so you pinned chest with a slin pin ? lol was it hard to push the plunger ?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    People have started doing it, and it is working, so let yall know

    its gonna take a lil longer time but it works at the end
    and it more painfull, morse chance of steril absess and more irritaion, your pinning anyway why not go IM like its made to?
    LG Sciences Board Rep
    These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, do not constitute medical advice, and are not official or authorized comments by LG Sciences, LLC.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Blergs View Post
    and it more painfull, morse chance of steril absess and more irritaion, your pinning anyway why not go IM like its made to?
    Because some of us are pinning for life and would like less scar tissue, more sites to inject and more comfort.
    That's bull**** that there's more chance for an abscess. Practice sterile injection procedures and you'll be fine. Of course your test is going to be absorbed, whether or not you hit the muscle or Sub Q. You think you're going to piss it out or something if not in the muscle? Please!
    No irritation to speak of either. More bull****. I just pinned .5 cc Test Cyp and .25 CC Deca this morning.
    The pressure that the plunger creates in the slin pin is pretty strong, so the inject goes fairly quick. Maybe 15-20 seconds.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    whacked, so you pinned chest with a slin pin ? lol was it hard to push the plunger ?
    Nah - it was a piece of cake. It was easier than a 1" because of how small the slin pin is. It was a cinche.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohninAZ View Post
    Because some of us are pinning for life and would like less scar tissue, more sites to inject and more comfort.
    That's bull**** that there's more chance for an abscess. Practice sterile injection procedures and you'll be fine. Of course your test is going to be absorbed, whether or not you hit the muscle or Sub Q. You think you're going to piss it out or something if not in the muscle? Please!
    No irritation to speak of either. More bull****. I just pinned .5 cc Test Cyp and .25 CC Deca this morning.
    The pressure that the plunger creates in the slin pin is pretty strong, so the inject goes fairly quick. Maybe 15-20 seconds.
    WERD
  

  
 

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