Estrogren and muscle growth

[Dahollow]

Hello,

I've been reading many different opinions on the role estrogen could or could not play in muscle growth.

People on a cycle (eg Test) many times use an AI to prevent bloating and gyno.

Many times I read that your body needs the extra estrogen to improve your gains.

Now is my question:

Are the above mentioned gains mainly water retention (due to estrogen) and thus not real lean muscle mass?

Is there any scientific evidence (meaning not the typical bro-science) stating the importance of estrogen in muscle growth during a cycle?

I for one, do not see the point in gaining 15-20lbs and losing half because it was plain water retention.

Your opinions and if possible scientific literature?

 

[corsaking]

personally i think reducing e too much can hinder growth IT when the e is in excess and causes problems such as gyno , that it becomes an issue.

have a read of this written by william llewellyn http://www.steroidsource.net/articles/estrogenrole.htm

 

[Iron Warrior]

It depends on the individual. I personally would rather take Nolva through the cycle. It doesn't make a huge difference in growth for me. I don't always use AI's though, just Nolva during the cycle.

People who claim estrogen is good for growth say it plays a role in IGF-1 and HGH release in the body and glucose utilization.

I say if you're prone OR concerned about gyno then take a SERM or an AI.

 

[Dahollow]

personally i think reducing e too much can hinder growth IT when the e is in excess and causes problems such as gyno , that it becomes an issue.

have a read of this written by william

Thx! Very interesting!

 

[Dahollow]

It depends on the individual. I personally would rather take Nolva through the cycle. It doesn't make a huge difference in growth for me. I don't always use AI's though, just Nolva during the cycle.

People who claim estrogen is good for growth say it plays a role in IGF-1 and HGH release in the body and glucose utilization.

I say if you're prone OR concerned about gyno then take a SERM or an AI.

You are right. The slightly less gains do not weigh up against le bitch tits. I'll keep using my AI.

 

[corsaking]

You are right. The slightly less gains do not weigh up against le bitch tits. I'll keep using my AI.

why not use triazole -doesnt totally eradicate e

 

[bigzach1234]

It depends on the individual. I personally would rather take Nolva through the cycle. It doesn't make a huge difference in growth for me. I don't always use AI's though, just Nolva during the cycle.

People who claim estrogen is good for growth say it plays a role in IGF-1 and HGH release in the body and glucose utilization.

I say if you're prone OR concerned about gyno then take a SERM or an AI.

yes but nolva decreases igf so its a double edged sword... also in a cycle with orals thats added stress on the liver

 

[Dahollow]

why not use triazole -doesnt totally eradicate e

I thought arimidex decreased estrogen by about 60% using 0,5mg EOD?