[mark s]

was looking into trying ph again.but with all the pct's and buying them,the cost is not much differant than steroids and pcts.
decent pct for ph is under the table so why stop there?
are the end results alot differant from ph and steroids?
was thinking of equipoise as i am not concerned about the mass,just a smaller amount of decent muscle.

[mball52]

most of the "ph" that are currently out ARE steroids. your question is kinda all over the place btw.

[boxer78]

SERMs may be a gray area, but you're extremely unlikely to get pinched for buying them. I would be nervous as hell ordering real gear over the internet. If I had access to a local, legit source, I wouldn't consider PH/PS/DS.

[kxyx8611]

I am about to wrap up a cycle of Purus Labs Halovar. Out of 10, I would give it a solid 9. I gained about 8lbs with strength increases between 15% on minor muscle groups and upwards of 30% on major groups. Just for example: Bench went from 265 for 8 reps to 265 for 12 reps x 3 sets. I did not notice any significant side effects (very slight acne on back and shoulders, mild aggression a few hours after 2nd dose,back pumps). I am about to start PCT with Purus Labs Recycle. Total investment was about $85.

[phatmike0704]

i consider all ph's steroids. same side effects, same results, they're all synthetic hormones therefor they're roids

[MakaveliThaDon]

i consider all ph's steroids. same side effects, same results, they're all synthetic hormones therefor they're roids

sounds like someone who's never used real gear before.

[hove131]

Once ingested into the body PH's are converted to steroids. They are steroids.

[BigBlackGuy]

SERMs are a grey area, but even there, for shorter cycles, there are OTC options.

Prohormones convert to steroids (some are also active steroids) and designer steroids (epistane, superdrol, etc.) are actual steroids.

Here's the thing. You can either go the illegal route and buy injectables or illegal orals, or you can go the legal route and by them OTC.

If you want a non-toxic, natural prohormone product, checkout the Androseries from Primordial Performance.

[rulk22]

was looking into trying ph again.but with all the pct's and buying them,the cost is not much differant than steroids and pcts.
decent pct for ph is under the table so why stop there?
are the end results alot differant from ph and steroids?
was thinking of equipoise as i am not concerned about the mass,just a smaller amount of decent muscle.

If your set on price, you can find cheap but very potent ph/ds as one other pointed out, everything for around 85 bucks. Actual aas are a whole other ball game, do you want to procure it legaly through a doctor, get it illegaly? I think some of the more traditional aas cycles will garner you good gains that seem more permanent because of the length of cycle. Ultimatly I think aas are goin to be the ultimate in results.

I would like to mention though, that the Androseries is providing real alternatives to traditional aas. Considering they are legal, 2 out of the 3 have proven themselves and the 3rd one that is shipping for the first time will most likely work very well also. Its just the price that would probably turn you away, but we do offer generous discounts in exchange for logging your cycle.

[Blergs]

was looking into trying ph again.but with all the pct's and buying them,the cost is not much differant than steroids and pcts.
decent pct for ph is under the table so why stop there?
are the end results alot differant from ph and steroids?
was thinking of equipoise as i am not concerned about the mass,just a smaller amount of decent muscle.

i woudl reccomend test e or cyp as a base for first cycle AND ALL FUTURE CYCLES. and add stuff from there and tweek it from cycle to cycle.

I would not rec oral onyl cycles (just me)
but i have used some pro-h's during a cyle of say test or test/tren or test/ mast ect. and had great results.

used M1D whil on my hrt (200mg ew teste) and found it added to my normal results. did this with EPI also.
I would rec that for first timer.
after some exp i would rec beastdrol (SD) with maste and teste i found that to be very nice.

[mark s]

Cheers lads,its good be able to talk about this subject without being talked down to.going to carry on doing lots of research and talking.from from I can see otc pct's don't match the potency of ph's.

[princeshock]

Cheers lads,its good be able to talk about this subject without being talked down to.going to carry on doing lots of research and talking.from from I can see otc pct's don't match the potency of ph's.

Don't kid yourself, most people including on here won't actually help getting the gear for you which IS THE BIGGEST THING lmfao. You can talk about it as much as you want but if you can't get it whats the point. there's not much real world Gear socialization. Atleast so far this is what i have witnessed.

[BigBlackGuy]

Don't kid yourself, most people including on here won't actually help getting the gear for you which IS THE BIGGEST THING lmfao. You can talk about it as much as you want but if you can't get it whats the point. there's not much real world Gear socialization. Atleast so far this is what i have witnessed.

Finding sources is easy, finding sources you trust... even with a ton of information at your disposal it's tough to really trust any source till you've used them.

[phatmike0704]

sounds like someone who's never used real gear before.

lol i just hate injections. i stopped after my 3rd week of test e and tren, my ass was so freakin sore. i slap 20lbs off an SD cycle, cheaper and easier to get than dbol and other stuff

[princeshock]

Finding sources is easy, finding sources you trust... even with a ton of information at your disposal it's tough to really trust any source till you've used them.

best way is getting the stuff handed to you in person. This online stuff is a disaster waiting to happen...

[Blergs]

lol i just hate injections. i stopped after my 3rd week of test e and tren, my ass was so freakin sore. i slap 20lbs off an SD cycle, cheaper and easier to get than dbol and other stuff

also most toxic and unsafe way to go about cycleing.... think about that.

[phatmike0704]

also most toxic and unsafe way to go about cycleing.... think about that.

this is true, touche lol