42 years old, first cycle (of anything)- not your average 1st cycle questions
07-25-2004 12:04 PM
You did a 3 week cycle of test? With what, suspension?
Originally Posted by mrbig
07-25-2004 12:39 PM
If you can afford it -- have your PCP signup with Kronos Laboratory.. .kronoslaboratory.com
They have a 150 panel --- UBER run as I call it that covers a ton of ground for you including the bulk of your hormonal interests and a full anti-oxidant profiling.. Their retail is 1,500 and they'll only work with an account with your physician....
The thing is .. with 3x -- they told me I could get to about $1,100 and I know a doc who got their pricing down to $800 which is sick for that much work..
Its consolidated into a kit that is only 5 tubes... you could do it with portamed for 150 and never leave home....
Ignoring this comment---- Life Extension Foundation, Lab-Safe, and others have Anti-Aging panel offerings direct to the end user which give you some basics. I would argue that if you'll spend 80,000 on a car, you can spend a few thousand a year on labwork when the risks are higher like this--- and it doesn't need to be this high..
I would do the following run:--- my start off run -- but its pricy..
1. CBC Diff
2. Blood Chemistry (a full 23 or a 20-- add in the pieces if they don't have the full
either way it should have the full liver panel)
3. Thyroid Panel--- NOT just TSH, FTI, and bound T3 and4... pay the money for the FREE T3 and FREE T4----- TSH, FT3,FT4 is closer to $300-- the free's are pricy
4. Cardiac Reactive Protein
8. LH & FSH
9. Test --Total & Bioavailable
10. Estradiol -- high sensitivity
11. Hemoglobin A1C
12. Lipid Panel & VAP
16. DHT -- frozen serum-- takes a little longer
This is more than most people will use--- it is very similar to what one prominent anti-aging clinics runs for their starter lab run.........
In the anti-aging market the GH/Test synergy is fantastic as you'll having waning GH and hence IGF-1 levels.
YOU SHOULD DEFINITIVELY HAVE A Digital Rectal Exam..........
Notwithstanding some debate from a hint of contradiction between studies on HRT and prostate issues --- you really should have the DRE and more frequent PSAs on this. Up the frequent of prostate checks while on HRT.
A minimum hello for some clinics is closer to:
Total Test & Free Test
CBC-Diff + basic Blood Chem
THyroid--- TSH, T3, FTI
07-25-2004 12:40 PM
Maybe you've been hanging around only people in your own income bracket, but myself and most people I know are just getting by, and don't have the disposable income to spend on hiring a specialist doctor to prescribe and follow-up on all this.
Originally Posted by crazydoc1
Also, most who have medical insurance are in stingy HMOs who have strict limits on what they allow. HRT is only for those who can justify it based on blood tests, and sometimes you can't even get a PCP to order the test.
Going to special "anti-aging" clinics is not covered by any insurance I know of, and is only for the wealthy few. The median family income is less that $50K per year, I beleive. Mine sure is...
Greenguy, Impoverished Older Person
07-25-2004 01:55 PM
I wasn't trying to offend but I conceed your point. Anti-Aging is not mainstream by virtue of its price principally. I expect that you can convince your PCP to run some of the labs referenced and have a suitable code for insurance to pick it up... certainly the CBC-D, Blood chem, thyroids, lipids, A1c, etc are not likely to be rejected the first time around...
Some clinics make money on professional fees- but most through their affiliated pharmacy relationships. The rules I thumb for insurance coverage for Test or GH for IGF-1 deficiency are very very extreme. I've heard of IGF-1's at 110 being declined coverage for GH. Its doubtful you'd find coverage for these therapies.
My commentary was geared at safety moreso than price.....
Originally Posted by Greenguy
07-26-2004 07:38 PM
I have to agree with Greenguy on this one. There's a good reason most of these boards have pix of real and fake steroids. Most people simply cannot afford (or in my case, justify) that kind of expense for an elective treatment/therapy. I agree with you though, that it by far the safer path, if you have the means to go that route.
Originally Posted by crazydoc1
Last edited by IdahoSpud; 07-26-2004 at 08:23 PM.
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