gangof4
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first post after lurking for the past 4 months; here and on other sites (i hate dumb, easily answered questions so i try real hard not to be the one asking them). sorry, this is long; but it contains Q's and goals that i haven't really had answered in the couple of 100 hours of reading i've done. i have a lot of respect for the intelligence and knowledge on this board- you guys have taught me a lot already.
background: i've been training for 17+ years, about the last 10 of them i've actually known what i'm doing (diet, more core exercises, recovery, etc). i'm 6' 3" 192, 11-12% body fat. never done PH's or AAS. i've always been the stereotyptical hard gainer- with the genetics of a 12 year old girl. when i was 20, i weighed 145- same height. i have been stalled for about 5 years. regardless of training, protein intake (i've even gone up over 380gm/day for 3 months- no change beyond an unhappy digestive tract) etc etc. in short: all the things you can think to ask, are in check. once i get over 190lbs and raise calories above maintenance, the result has been like 80% fat gain to 20% lean mass gain. after trying everything, contemplating using gear but deciding against it, i decided to stay around 190 lbs and, though not a great body, i was fairly content and accepted my genetic realities. now i'm backsliding though. the past 3 years or so i've had that aging thing make maintaining bf% and the 190 a bitch; and, as before, getting above that= fat (my genetics are now more like a middle aged woman who has spit out 3 kids!). i've always wanted the look that another 15 or so lbs of lean mass would give me- now is the time.
my goal: add 15 pounds of lean mass that i KEEP after PCT and can maintain; and, with the metabolic advantage of the the extra lean mass and some hard work, drop to/below 9% bf with a cutting cycle once things stabalize after bulking/PCT. in a perfect world, i would acheive this in one bulking cycle and never do another- is that realistic? i have no desire to get huge- too old to care about that. if i were 200-205 and 9% bf, i would be exactly at my ideal.
now, the question is how to achieve it. i have read a ton about the current gereration of PH's and, it seems, i might be able to achieve my goals that way and stay legal (a concern). the chemically altered nature of PH's worries me a bit though, and i'd hate to waste my fresh receptors on PH's and have PH's not get me to my goal. that said, sources for AAS are also a concern (both the legal issue and getting safe stuff). i have used an overseas indian pharmacy for regular scripts, and already ordered nolva from them for my pending cycle. they carry AAS; but i'm nervous about customs. i know a couple guys @ my gym who use gear; but they're clueless users who don't even understand PCT and have a pretty shady source (too shady to trust my health/body with).
i realize that the standard 1st cycle thought is test. i also know many here are anti orals due to toxicity and amount lost in first pass thru liver. still, i have read sooooo many people saying they did oral winny only for a first cycle and gained 15-20lbs of lean mass that they kept- with many not using an anti-e with their PCT because of the nature of winny. given that winny isn't very anabolic, seems that it gives credence to the other school of thought: a 1st cycle of just about any AAS will yield 15+ pounds of lean mass gains if done right with proper PCT. in fact, i don't recall anyone doing an oral 1st cycle with proper PCT who didn't have great gains (except someone who did dbol only and lost it all). in big cat's profiles, he even debunks the oral only naysayers and says that the detractors never base their opinions on 1st hand experience. most actual experiences i've read suggest that with fresh 'virgin' receptors you'll have great gains with any AAS. i'm not thrilled at the idea of pinning for a variety of reasons- especially if it's not really necessary. i also like the sides profile for winny over test. if an oral would get me to my 15lb goal, i am not too worried about the liver toxicity if it's only 1 cycle and i mitigate it with NAC, milk thistle, etc. also, with my travel schedule for work, pinning would be quite a challenge and nerve wrecking- not to mention the issues on the home front. all that said, i'll pin if needed- espcially since a long ester test only requires 1x week.
my main questions:
1. if i tried PH's first, would that make my virgin receptors less receptive to an AAS cycle later, than they would be now having never taken anything (iow, if i tried PH's 1st and didn't achieve my goal, i would then turn to AAS and i'd hate to have my fresh receptors diminished because i tried PH's first)?
2. given my fresh receptors and my modest goals, do you think there's a high likelihood that i can achieve my goals thru PH's witout needing to cross the line into illegal AAS?
3. for those who would lean towards AAS's: do you think, with my fresh receptors again and goals, that i *should* be able to gain/retain 15lbs of lean mass on an oral like winny vs test (for reasons mentioned above).
4. do you agree with this: any AAS (including orals) will yield impressive 15+ lean mass gains for 1st cycle with proper PCT. if no- on what do you base your opinion on (ie: is it based on first hand expereince)?
5. is it realistic to think that i can hold onto 15lbs of lean mass over the following year(s) with only 1 cycle (with good PCT) if i train/eat properly (i ask this in light of my hard gainer history)?
6. not many 1st cycle 42 year olds- anyone have a clue whether my experience with PH/AAS should be noticeably different than someone in their 20's?
7. any other suggestions given my age and goals (ie: i've read a lot of the gh and igf-1 threads; but don't want to get in over my head)?
thanks!
background: i've been training for 17+ years, about the last 10 of them i've actually known what i'm doing (diet, more core exercises, recovery, etc). i'm 6' 3" 192, 11-12% body fat. never done PH's or AAS. i've always been the stereotyptical hard gainer- with the genetics of a 12 year old girl. when i was 20, i weighed 145- same height. i have been stalled for about 5 years. regardless of training, protein intake (i've even gone up over 380gm/day for 3 months- no change beyond an unhappy digestive tract) etc etc. in short: all the things you can think to ask, are in check. once i get over 190lbs and raise calories above maintenance, the result has been like 80% fat gain to 20% lean mass gain. after trying everything, contemplating using gear but deciding against it, i decided to stay around 190 lbs and, though not a great body, i was fairly content and accepted my genetic realities. now i'm backsliding though. the past 3 years or so i've had that aging thing make maintaining bf% and the 190 a bitch; and, as before, getting above that= fat (my genetics are now more like a middle aged woman who has spit out 3 kids!). i've always wanted the look that another 15 or so lbs of lean mass would give me- now is the time.
my goal: add 15 pounds of lean mass that i KEEP after PCT and can maintain; and, with the metabolic advantage of the the extra lean mass and some hard work, drop to/below 9% bf with a cutting cycle once things stabalize after bulking/PCT. in a perfect world, i would acheive this in one bulking cycle and never do another- is that realistic? i have no desire to get huge- too old to care about that. if i were 200-205 and 9% bf, i would be exactly at my ideal.
now, the question is how to achieve it. i have read a ton about the current gereration of PH's and, it seems, i might be able to achieve my goals that way and stay legal (a concern). the chemically altered nature of PH's worries me a bit though, and i'd hate to waste my fresh receptors on PH's and have PH's not get me to my goal. that said, sources for AAS are also a concern (both the legal issue and getting safe stuff). i have used an overseas indian pharmacy for regular scripts, and already ordered nolva from them for my pending cycle. they carry AAS; but i'm nervous about customs. i know a couple guys @ my gym who use gear; but they're clueless users who don't even understand PCT and have a pretty shady source (too shady to trust my health/body with).
i realize that the standard 1st cycle thought is test. i also know many here are anti orals due to toxicity and amount lost in first pass thru liver. still, i have read sooooo many people saying they did oral winny only for a first cycle and gained 15-20lbs of lean mass that they kept- with many not using an anti-e with their PCT because of the nature of winny. given that winny isn't very anabolic, seems that it gives credence to the other school of thought: a 1st cycle of just about any AAS will yield 15+ pounds of lean mass gains if done right with proper PCT. in fact, i don't recall anyone doing an oral 1st cycle with proper PCT who didn't have great gains (except someone who did dbol only and lost it all). in big cat's profiles, he even debunks the oral only naysayers and says that the detractors never base their opinions on 1st hand experience. most actual experiences i've read suggest that with fresh 'virgin' receptors you'll have great gains with any AAS. i'm not thrilled at the idea of pinning for a variety of reasons- especially if it's not really necessary. i also like the sides profile for winny over test. if an oral would get me to my 15lb goal, i am not too worried about the liver toxicity if it's only 1 cycle and i mitigate it with NAC, milk thistle, etc. also, with my travel schedule for work, pinning would be quite a challenge and nerve wrecking- not to mention the issues on the home front. all that said, i'll pin if needed- espcially since a long ester test only requires 1x week.
my main questions:
1. if i tried PH's first, would that make my virgin receptors less receptive to an AAS cycle later, than they would be now having never taken anything (iow, if i tried PH's 1st and didn't achieve my goal, i would then turn to AAS and i'd hate to have my fresh receptors diminished because i tried PH's first)?
2. given my fresh receptors and my modest goals, do you think there's a high likelihood that i can achieve my goals thru PH's witout needing to cross the line into illegal AAS?
3. for those who would lean towards AAS's: do you think, with my fresh receptors again and goals, that i *should* be able to gain/retain 15lbs of lean mass on an oral like winny vs test (for reasons mentioned above).
4. do you agree with this: any AAS (including orals) will yield impressive 15+ lean mass gains for 1st cycle with proper PCT. if no- on what do you base your opinion on (ie: is it based on first hand expereince)?
5. is it realistic to think that i can hold onto 15lbs of lean mass over the following year(s) with only 1 cycle (with good PCT) if i train/eat properly (i ask this in light of my hard gainer history)?
6. not many 1st cycle 42 year olds- anyone have a clue whether my experience with PH/AAS should be noticeably different than someone in their 20's?
7. any other suggestions given my age and goals (ie: i've read a lot of the gh and igf-1 threads; but don't want to get in over my head)?
thanks!