Hair loss question
- 07-13-2004, 11:29 PM
Hair loss question
Okay I just started a cycle of M4OHN and apparently I am extrememly sensitive because I am already shedding. Anyways, here is my question: The hair that is coming out is coming out from everywhere... even the lowest part of the sides of my head.
How is this possible when DHT receptor sites are only on the top of the head, mostly in the crown? It's almost like my body is just losing hair from everywhere more in response to an allergic reaction or something than going through MPB.
- 07-14-2004, 12:40 AM
I don't know. Maybe your hair was just going to start to fall out right about now anyways. How old are you?
If it's that bad then I would just quit and begin PCT...
- 07-14-2004, 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by Jergo
07-14-2004, 12:56 AM
Man it's just paranoia. You have been on it one day!! I have been losing my hair for 15 years and i have been on m4ohn for about three weeks and my hair is the same as when I started. And I still use Avodart and minox two times aday.
07-14-2004, 06:46 AM
From everything I have read, M4ohn has little to no conversion to DHT. So either you're just freaking out or you are having some neurological reaction to the M4ohn. I mention that because you said that the hair is falling out from all areas of your scalp. DHT induced hairloss occurs mainly at the temples and crown of the head. There are some neurological conditions which can cause a person to experience this type of generalized hair loss, so maybe your nervous system is sensitive to the M4ohn. Also, thyroid problems can cause hairloss. I just remembered that you said it has been only one day, therefore; you are just freaking out.
07-14-2004, 07:14 AM
07-14-2004, 07:17 AM
Where on earth did you get the info that there is such a thing as 'DHT' receptors?Originally Posted by TheUsual
And androgens do not have to convert to DHT to cause hairloss, they can cause hairloss without 5-alpha reduction - repeated quite often by many throughout this board.
What you are talking about is diffuse thinning which could be stress etc, general hairloss due to genetics and age, or m4ohn.
On paper m4ohn is pretty much on par with m-1-t, m-dien comparing anabolic/androgenic essay numbers.
07-14-2004, 03:03 PM
Thanks for the info. What I was getting at with the DHT receptor thing is what DrDunc mentioned... basically I was wondering why the hair was coming from everywhere, but you explained some possible reasons.
I suppose I will stick with it for another few weeks and see if the increased shedding continues, but I am 90% sure the shedding HAS increased... it's hard to tell though because I have always shed alot (I have really thick hair), but I don't think I have ever shed THIS much.
Last question though... you mentioned that diffuse thinning could be caused by the M4OHN? Does this mean that the myth of steroids causing hairloss only on the crown, temples, and front is untrue?
07-14-2004, 03:07 PM
I shed hair on m4ohn at 32mg ed, but at 20mg ed, I did not.
07-14-2004, 09:40 PM
Good question.Originally Posted by TheUsual
Normal hairloss or androgenetic alopecia in men is typically noticeable as a receding hairline.
I don't think steroids 'must' work the same way. Just my experience but I've seen people lose hair in a somewhat diffuse manner on AAS. So don't discount m4ohn as a possible cause.
Stress, hormonal changes (not sure what that means - endogenous test levels plummeting?) can cause diffuse thinning - something I remembered coming across.
07-15-2004, 07:25 AM
I was reading this thread because I am losing my hair at the temples and at the crown. Last couple of cycles I was only thinning but this cycle when I shaved my head( i regularly do) my wife told me after she shaved it those areas aren't even growing any hair back.
My question is, is this just speeding up the inevitable and now that the hair isn't coming back is there any hopes on drugs to help or do I just start buying head wax for my new shiney areas?
07-15-2004, 10:21 AM
Hair usually doesn't grow back when you get off cycle. You can always try using one or a combination of the many hair regrowth drugs out there. Read up on them and decide which ones are suited for you.Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
07-15-2004, 11:52 AM
you are experiencing an accelaration of male-pattern balding due to the androgenic properties of the ph's. Propecia has shown good results on maintaining a persons hair follicle count, and decent results in regenerating some hair growth in thinning areas. It mainly works by blocking DHT, which can cause destruction of hair follicles. Propecia has had more success on hair loss on the crown and less on the temple areas. Hair loss is not as simple as just DHT and blocking DHT, but it is part of the equation in many individuals.
07-15-2004, 06:59 PM
Yes there are many drugs available that will slow down or even stop your hair loss and even some that will regrow some hair. Minoxidil, spiro, retin-A, azaeleic acid, Nizoral, finasteride, proscar... there are too many to name, but do some research on them and if you have some money to spend you can definitely slow it downOriginally Posted by Jayhawkk
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