What would you replace Formex with in PCT?
- 04-10-2011, 08:02 AM
What would you replace Formex with in PCT?
I'm gearing up to start my third H-Drol cycle. My first two cycles have gone perfectly. No issues to speak of during or after. I've used Formex in my PCT both times but it's discontinued so I need a different plan this time around.
I spent countless hours researching before I ran my first cycle. By the time I started I felt like an expert on the subject of PH & PCT. Once I had my plan figured out I thought I'd never have to go through that pain again. And in the meantime I've forgotten much of what I learned. But here I am researching again and needing a new plan.
Here's what I did the first two times:
Weeks 1-5 H-drol 50/50/75/75/75
Weeks 6-9 Diesel Test Hardcore - Six days on - one day off.
Weeks 6-9 Torem 120 x 3 , 90 , 60 x 3 / 60 / 60x4 , 30x3 / 30
Weeks 6-9 Formex 25 EOD/25/50/50/25/25
Weeks 8-11 Post Cycle Support
What would you replace the Formex with and how would you run it?
When I started going down the PH road I felt very strongly about using a SERM. But since I haven't had any issues with hdrol I'm a little more open minded about going straight OTC for my PCT. Would PP's TRS alone be a sufficient OTC PCT?
- 04-10-2011, 08:56 AM
04-10-2011, 03:38 PM
Replace it with Forma-stanzol bro. It's a transdermal formestane, you will love it.
Start it in week 3 of PCT as I believe it is healthy to let estrogen rise for a couple weeks after steroid use to facilitate good recovery.
Use needto10 for a discount and it's free shipping.
04-10-2011, 04:28 PM
04-10-2011, 05:10 PM
04-10-2011, 05:47 PM
04-10-2011, 06:25 PM
TRS is the strongest OTC PCT on the market. I'll hit you up with a PM for a deal.
CM is right, if you're looking for a formex replacement go with the N2 stuff. It's transdermal, it'll work better anyway.
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04-11-2011, 09:09 PM
Where can I buy it? Only place I found it is mrsupps and it was pretty expensive. Where does the needto10 code work? Doesn't look like NP carries it, they don't even show it as being out of stock.
And how would you dose this as a Formex replacement in my PCT as described above?
TRS is sold as an effective PCT for all kinds of gear but PCT should be different for aromatizing compounds and ones that don't aromatize. So the one size fits all aspect of it is a bit concerning to me.
04-12-2011, 10:29 AM
You have to add the product to your cart. Then there will be a box to enter a coupon/promo code.
Then you click continue to checkout - the discount won't be applied until the last step in the process (payment). If you haven't ever bought from there before you'll need to create an account. Takes 60 seconds.
04-12-2011, 01:54 PM
OK, now I know where to get the stuff. Thanks.
Anyone have some guidance on how I would dose it if I were to replace the Formex in my PCT with Forma-stanzol? Not a generic suggestion, but please look at my PCT in the first post and advise the proper use of Forma-stanzol here. And only if you understand PCT. This is serious stuff, I want solid advice not shots in the dark :-)
04-12-2011, 03:03 PM
Start it in week 3 of PCT.
week 3: 7 pumps 2x a day
week 4: 6 pumps 2x a day
week 5: 5 pumps 2x a day
week 6: 4 pumps 2x a day
week 7: cruise at 3 pumps 2x a day until bottle runs out
04-12-2011, 03:17 PM
I'll be in PCT well into the summer months. What do I do about using sunscreen when I'm using a topical? Can they be used together? Will one affect the other? Which one should go on first?
04-12-2011, 05:08 PM
You always want to taper down with AI's not ramp the dose up. Start it in week 3 to get a wholesome recovery of testosterone and estrogen for a couple weeks. The forma stanzol dries extremely fast and sunscreen won't interfere with it. I just take a full dose before bed with my forma instead of 2x a day. You can do that as well.
04-21-2011, 08:06 AM
Upon further review, it's widespread agreement by NTBM reps. Big shocker...
Not saying it's invalid but it sure as hell ain't unbiased.
More research is now necessary before I trust my PCT to a supplement that is only recommended by its reps (in this thread).
I did a little more research but so far just about every thread I can find is to some degree influenced by NTBM reps. Here's some good advice for supplement companies - Let your products stand on their merits. If you have faith in your products let your customers advocate for you without your input. If your stuff works people will recommend your products.
And of course the one person with a differing opinion is a PP rep recommending TRS.
04-21-2011, 10:17 AM
I wouldn't have agreed to become a rep if I didn't agree with Nate's leadership or ethics and if I didn't think the products worked. People who take rep positions just for free product will fizzle out pretty quickly and when they have mobs chasing after them with torches for all the lies they spread, it will be evident to the masses what's what.
It's sad that the mindset has now turned to "all rep comments are biased." Not true. I haven't had a chance to try everything on Needto's line, yet, but you better believe I was buying and popping Need2Slin far before I ever started repping for the company.
Are there going to be liars out there? Of course; look at the world we live in. But I'll tell you one thing, until you catch me up in a lie, don't look at my word being anything less than worth everything I am. I'm sure plenty of other reps would agree completely with this last statement as well as most everything in my post -- and I'm not just talking about NTBM; this should apply to all companies.
04-21-2011, 10:36 AM
Couldn't agree with this more. I can tell you right now...if NTBMs products weren't top notch I would not be staking my reputation on them. I wouldn't be doing this for free product that doesn't do $h!t. I do it because I like the way NTBM represents themselves on the boards and they really do take care of their customers. There are no smoke and mirrors over at NTBM, and if a rep recommends a product to you...it's because it WORKS and has WORKED for tons of our customers. I have been on this board a good long while...I would not associate myself with a company that would taint my name.
And this just isn't for NTBM, this is for all reps. We all stand behind the products we all represent.
04-21-2011, 12:43 PM
I'm sure you're honest, nice guys. But the day you rip a NTBM product is the day you stop being a NTBM rep. And if you publicly challengy Needto on it, that'll also be the last time ANYONE hires you as a rep.
I do believe that you believe in the man, the company and the products. But I do not believe for one second that you'd jeopardize your ability to ever work as a rep again by publicly recommending another company's product over yours. Lots of people would appreciate your honesty if you did that but there's not a supplement company around that would ever hire you.
Again, doesn't make you a bad person. It means you're doing your job and maintaining youre reputation as a rep.
Regardless, my point remains 100% valid... Recommendations by independent people will always be more valuable than recommendations from people who have something at stake. It doesn't make your recommendations invaluable but I'd love to hear this kind of support in some threads where nobody is influenced by reps. Nobody will believe for a minute that it's a total coincidence that all the recommendations in this thread are from reps.
04-21-2011, 12:59 PM
I give product recommendations that aren't NTBM products all the time. Not just anyone gets to be a rep either. Those that have proven to have knowledge and respect and honesty towards others on the boards. We have been given this opportunity for a reason.
04-21-2011, 01:01 PM
I won't argue with you, but I'm really sad that people's view has turned into this - that reps' posts aren't unbiased. I'd give you that if I was a rep from day 1 and post 1 / if what I'd contributed prior wasn't legitimate information. I was a member long before I was a rep, and AM is my forum home, and I'll always have more loyalty to myself and what's true than any company could ever try to convince me to have.
If there's something I didn't agree with, I wouldn't be a rep.
You bring up no one hiring you again if you were to question a company, but would that really be the end of the world? I enjoy what I do as a rep, but it's not like it pays the bills. It's something that I would do anyway; I just happen to be sponsored, now. And would you really put faith into any other company that simply wouldn't hire someone on the grounds that they didn't agree with a previous company that they repped for?
If you were to track all of my posts (almost 2,000 of which were before I was a rep, just for the record), there's not one post in there that I wouldn't stand by or swear by.
To this day, I still recommend products of other companies. I consider JD a close friend and I'll never say that Creatine Nitrate isn't an awesome product. I'm looking forward to trying some of Taurus Nutrition's new line out and I hope it's as good as it looks to be. If a product doesn't work or if I don't like it - I acknowledge it! I haven't tried all of NTBM's line yet, but you better bet that over time I'll attempt to - and if I don't like something, you won't see my seal of support on it. In fact, that's why with any product I haven't tried, I may suggest it based on what others have said, but I don't go into a lot of adjectives and detail because I've never had the chance to experience it.
Like I said, I'm not trying to argue with you, but I hope this post is seen by other people as well, because it really sucks when people question your intent or honesty simply by default of being a company rep. I'm old school and my word means a whole lot more than some free supplements.
04-21-2011, 01:41 PM
Oral forma sucks. Very poor bioavailability. I'd go for formastanzol or cel's formastane.
I'm using formastanz for the second time and I can say I prefer it over cel's offering.
Whatever you decide for a forma product go with a topical.
04-21-2011, 02:26 PM
Havent used the Forma-stanzol YET but I am a BIG believer in ALL the products that NEED2 is involved with. NEED2 was the one company that helped me when I was down on my luck. He hooked me up with some products and a crap load of samples. Everything he hooked me up with worked like he said. I have had one problem with his products. I bought protein and the it was gritty(manufacture messed it up) he returned my money told me to keep the protein. He said there was new stuff on the way. That on my next purchase leave a note to shipper for a few samples of protein so he can prove that it was just a mistake. That was like 2 months ago, I will soon be putting in a new order. I have no reason to believe that the Forma wont work. That is just my .02 cents.
As for what reps say. You could take it for a grain of salt but also in this industry YOU need to form YOUR OWN opinion. Even a none rep could tell you the opposite off the truth. They could tell you that ** product is so great and you go spend hundreds of dollars on something that does nothing. Or the other way around. Basically what I am saying is what works for me may not always work for you and what works for you may not work for me. Reps inform you of the products that they work for but also have a mind of there own.
04-21-2011, 02:48 PM
04-21-2011, 07:30 PM
04-21-2011, 07:45 PM
04-21-2011, 08:37 PM
years ago i started using td formestane and loved it. since then i have probably tried every formestane product to hit the market. in all honesty, formastanzol is the best of all the formestane products i have tried. i have people ask me recommendations for best formestane product often, formastanzol gets my vote.
btw-you better hurry and get some, i have heard it is going to be dc'ed.
04-22-2011, 05:17 PM
bigt, i also hear there is gonna be an EPIC sale on the forma-stanzol. Actually all Mrsupps products
I know I'm stocking up on some goodies.
04-22-2011, 05:19 PM
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