Sick and tired of these product lies...
- 04-03-2011, 02:53 PM
Sick and tired of these product lies...
Ok, I've tried a million different supps and I think all the prohormones are bull****. I usually weigh about 215 and 10% bf but had knee surgery a couple months back and have plateaued at 200 lbs. I want to weigh 225 lbs, and I run a 4000 calorie diet. What is the most legit, muscle building thing I can currently buy that isn't illegal and is still available? Besides creatine and protein people... somebody give me some hope here...
- 04-03-2011, 03:01 PM
I'd be surprised if 4000 calories will do that for you, honestly. You need to eat however many calories it would take to get to that weight without steroids. The steroids will not significantly change your weight, only help in making more of the weight you gain muscle. Also, if you really are 200+ and 10% BF, you have to understand that nothing is going to come easy at this stage in the game. I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell you what kind of training would suit your goals the most, but if you've gotten to this size, you're obviously doing something right.
- 04-03-2011, 03:18 PM
You think all the prohormones are bull****? Your ****ing retarded.
It doesnt matter if you have a high calorie diet, if your not EATING RIGHT then it doesn't matter. Superdrol, Boladrol, tren, **** all that can put mass on you easily, any prohormone can help add muscle mass! Your workout, and your diet must be ****ed up right now. sorry.
04-03-2011, 03:21 PM
Sorry SK but you're wrong, I've tried several different diets, as well as new workout routines. You are obviously caught up in the prohormone hype. They just aren't as potent as they were several years ago...
04-03-2011, 03:25 PM
04-03-2011, 03:27 PM
But how do I avoid major fat % increase at that many cals? What should macros look like with that many cals?
04-03-2011, 03:29 PM
04-03-2011, 03:41 PM
04-03-2011, 03:42 PM
04-03-2011, 03:43 PM
Have you ever run Epistane? It's not a prohormone and it is still legal.
What about Ostarine? You can run Osta a good eight weeks with no PCT at the end.
04-03-2011, 03:48 PM
04-03-2011, 04:49 PM
I have been running otc hormones since the first gen and although the first gen was simple to understand one step conversions with very good safety profiles they weren't the end all be all to the prohormone and designer steroid business....
You came in here with a very specific question and an obvious chip on your shoulder regarding the very subject you want info on..... Do yourself a favor. Shut up and listen.
I don't know if you had a bad experience with some dirty clone, in order to avoid this check logs, read threads, and buy first gen versions of hormones or only clones with a good 3rd party lab assay.
This guy already gave you plenty of solid choices that will add plenty of lbm. Here is quite a few that I would look into...
M14ADD (DBOL Prohormone that actually is first gen but never banned)
Alpha one (prohormone to m1t)
Some would say mdrol... Personally I wouldnt touch the superdrol compound again with a ten foot pole.
There are also many other alternatives; Sarms, insulin mimicers, gh peptides, and old school gear....
Really though you can pick and choose all you like but unless your sh!t is on point your gains will be temporary and you'll never really hit a high weight at such a low bf%....
04-03-2011, 06:14 PM
You're probably taking them wrong if they aren't working for you like they used to.
I give a f**K!!
04-03-2011, 07:42 PM
04-03-2011, 10:09 PM
Someone touched on this before. When a supp comes out, it seems like people love it, make gains, write about it, etc. Then you start hearing about "bunk batches", people report " it did nothing for them" etc.
I would LOVE to see some of these supps tested at release and then six months to a year later to see if the ingredients were still at 100% levels.
With no regulation comes " no accountability".
My two cents....
04-03-2011, 10:19 PM
ive seen people post sh*t like this up before... and then post their mens health diet....
there are PLENTY of "prohormones" out there that can HELP/hurt you...
superdrol is just as strong as it has always been.. i gained 20 lbs on dmz
im sick of people posting " my diet is perfect, and i cant gain weight"
your diet is NEVER perfect...
i bet the majority of your protien comes from shakes... not MEAT....
kill things in the woods/eat them.. you will gain weight ...
04-03-2011, 10:25 PM
One thing you need to do before spending your money on ANYTHING is be honest with yourself. You said you are normally 215 lbs at 10% bf, well that my friend is fantastic for a natural guy!! You should be very proud of that. As someone who has run gear, peptides, GH, and various supplements for the past 12 years let me just say this..NOTHING, I REPEAT...NOTHING will be something you just run one time and retain it. There comes a point where you have to start shelling out a lot of $$$ on a pretty regular ****ing basis to maintain the type of size/definition you see in magazines or whoever it is you'd like to look like. I'm not talking about $50 on a little bottle of prohormones every few months, I'm talking a monthly expense equivelant to an expensive car payment on gear and supplements. And again, YOU DONT KEEP ****, YOU KEEP SPENDING TO RETAIN YOUR GAINS OR SPEND MORE TO GET MORE GAINS. Diet, hard work, OTC things, they only go so far. So dropping $$ on some new prohormone and getting a look your finally satisfied with, thats a nice little bull****, fairy tale dream. But I'm kicking you the reality of the ****, its a high cost every month to keep that look up. And often times, I'm not even talking about anything THAT MUCH MORE DRASTIC THAN YOUR STATS!! Maybe an extra 10 lbs of mass and 1-2% lower bf?
So with all of this in mind here is what I'd suggest; hard work in the gym, good diet, some vitamins, creatine, and protein. Save the rest of your money unless you feel like dumping a bunch every month into this
04-03-2011, 10:28 PM
let me just add this to my above reply. I do drop a bunch every month into this, and I've accepted that. Not trying to sound hypocritical to you guys or anything
04-04-2011, 02:13 PM
Cought in the Pro-Hormone Hyped? Dude your an idiot.
Sorry, I can easily gain 10-15lbs off of SD. And continue to gain on into my PCT.
You OBVIOUSLY ARE TAKING THEM WRONG.
Anyways I have onyl ran 1 PH cycle, and that was LG T stack, and it gave me 10lbs net result's, and that is the WEAKEST PH. Your diet, and workout is more than likely NOT on point.
PH's are pretty much weaker steroids, they will yield results.
YOu are obviously looking for a magic pill that will do all the work for you and make you jacked like Ronnie.... Sorry sir that does not exist, but good try though !
04-04-2011, 06:07 PM
04-04-2011, 06:15 PM
04-04-2011, 06:38 PM
04-04-2011, 07:41 PM
im talking about below 10% and it gets difficult to add muscle mass seriously....thats why when i cut, i cut HARD- right now im at about 12-13%
in 8 weeks i will be at 10 or 9% but when i bulk again, im going to allow for about 3-4% fat increase! its needed!
to an extent
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