Alcohol and S.E.R.Ms
- 07-09-2004, 10:36 PM
Alcohol and S.E.R.Ms
Just a random thought that crossed my mind the other day.
I've always heard that estrogen is raised during times of alcohol consumption but never saw any studies to confirm this. An easy pubmed search produced tons of evidence for this.. ie:
Originally Posted by pubmed
Also, does one have to worry about liver toxicity with tamoxifen and alcohol? I found this study but i doubt not all of us are menopausal women
Originally Posted by pubmed
- 07-11-2004, 04:34 PM
07-11-2004, 05:05 PM
This was discussed before sometime last year if I'm not mistaken. I tried doing a search for alcohol to see for sure. But I wasn't able to find anything relevant. From what I remember though, it's not a wise decision. Too bad I can't find the thread and explain why...
07-11-2004, 06:40 PM
I have always wondered the same thing... if nolva or clomid would reduce the estrogen spike caused by alcohol consumption.
07-12-2004, 03:34 PM
I remember that too, but can't find anything on it. I thought the consensus was that it may be beneficial to take 10-20mg of nolva to avoid the estrogen spike when drinking. I don't know of anyone who'd tried it though.Originally Posted by Jergo
07-12-2004, 05:50 PM
07-12-2004, 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by julius kelp
Formestane effects the HPTA, while nolva or clomid doesn't. So yes, that was pretty stupid.
07-12-2004, 06:44 PM
i hope someone can answer this question. i too drink heavily once a week, and i know the alcohol is causing estrogen type bloat and fat accumulation esp in my lower abs. maybe nolva pre/post on heavy alcohol days can help? i took 40mg nolva last nite after drinking yesterday and today i do feel leaner than most days after drinking, but i'm also lethargic as hell. i'm not sure if it's the nolva or just the heavy partying causing my lethargy.
07-13-2004, 12:24 PM
Theres a really simple solution to this... dont do it. we choose to live this life we are not forced to. If you want to look your best than the excess calories and metabolic slowdown from alchol has no place in your diet. Coming from a 22 year old fraternity member whos had exactly 8 drinks since his 21st birthday.
07-13-2004, 12:26 PM
Those effects are what im looking for (the decreased estrogen side effects).. I've read that the active half-life of tamoxifen is around 5-7 days and was wondering if suppressing estrogen for that long will effect your bodys equilibrium (drinking every weekend would mark the end of last weekends effective dose of tamox... )Originally Posted by lancelot
07-13-2004, 12:37 PM
Eh well then before you go out take some form of antioxidant, look into taking something to make drinking less while still getting the desired effect possible one option is phenibut which supposedly enhances the buzz you get off of alchol with less alchol consumed. An anti estrogen is not a bad idea though I think the increase of estrogen is more one that occurs with chronic use. So if I were going to drink heavily my night would look like this.
Pre go out .5- 2 gs phenibut
500 mg vit C
600 iu vit E
SERM if desired
Post go out
1 g RALA
500 mg vit C
pedialyte for rehydration
07-13-2004, 01:51 PM
Magg, what's pedialyte have in it to rehydrate? Do you use this frequently or rather for what reasons do you use it for? I'm always sweating a ****load during the weekends from yard work, and water is getting old. Does that stuuf taste good?
About the drinking, I usually drink to get drunk like twice/month. That's when I'm not on a cycle of anything though. When on, I just don't do it, it's as simple as that. But I don't see anything wrong with going out a few weekends during a month to have some fun. Life is supposed to be enjoyed, not endured.
Having said that, IMO there's a fine line where it is socail and when it becomes a problem. Drinking every other day to even twice/week to get drunk, then IMO you gotta problem. Quit while you're ahead...
07-13-2004, 03:51 PM
People assumed since phenibut is so closely related to GBL/GHB that they will work in a similar manner, but with many discussions over at avant, the general consensus is that it does nothing for potentiating the effects of alcohol. Plus one develops a tolerance for phenibut after usage for a while. I've used it for a month now (2x a week at most) and the effect has greatly diminished. I always supplement anti-oxidents before going out which, i think, is a must for everyone but was mainly concerned about the estrogen spike which would be harder to control through traditional vitamins/minerals and such.Originally Posted by maggmaster
Over at avant, they have a few discussions that are on going looking for the perfect "going-out" stack but nothing seems to even compare to a GHB/Alcohol stack or Benzo/Alcohol stack which I wont touch without much more knowledge on the substances.. Someone brought up zopiclone (ambien "like") which is a non-benzo but a mild hypnotic agent that gives effects of those like alcohol.. But, again, i dont know much about these substances either..
07-13-2004, 03:58 PM
Drinking in and of itself is not bad, I personally love wine and good beer drinking to get hammered occaisonally has negligible efftects on body comp in the avergage highly active person. Drinking excessively regularly is a bad idea. Pedialyte is a baby rehydration formula and it works well in adults to. i have only used it a couple of times, it doesnt taste good but it does work well. i used it when i was drinking more my freshman year and also in highschool when I was training for a marathon. Honestely I was just trying to give my opinion on drinking regularly but I spose it came off alittle strong and stupid. Just like anything else its fine in moderation.
07-13-2004, 05:02 PM
07-14-2004, 05:51 PM
For everyone who gets on these forums and says don't drink at all, it's not part of this "lifestyle" we've chosen, etc. Not everyone on here is interested in bodybuilding in a true, competitive since. For me it is a hobby, but I still enjoy going out two or three times a week and drinking too much, as I'm still in college. There are many people who are similar to myself, and want to get bigger, or leaner, but are still going to drink as bodybuilding is only a hobby. That doesn't mean that we don't want to minimize the effects though, and gain as much as possible. Also, (this sounds kind of stupid, and I know everyone says otherwise) I have thought sometimes that maybe the "best time" to drink, might be on cycle. If not on any methyl's, liver damage isn't a bad problem. Likewise, test production is already shut down, and you are injecting above physio. levels, so you aren't shutting down test anymore. Last, if estrogen is a problem for you, you already are probably using an anti-e. So, because of this it almost seems that on cycle would be the best time to drink. Any comments?
07-14-2004, 06:07 PM
My football coaches used to give the guys on our team that cramped a lot pedialyte. It's like gatorade on steroids w/out the sugar. I believe it's given to babies w/diarhea for rehydration. It's got electrolytes, and sodium.Originally Posted by Jergo
But no it does not taste good at all. The guys that had to take it bitched constantly. I grabbed the wrong bottle one time and took a big gulp so i can speak first hand of how bad this stuff tastes. It does work very well for rehydration though.
07-14-2004, 06:12 PM
i use it for those heavy drinking days when i know the next day will be a bad hangover. fortunately for us, there are flavored versions of pedialyte. i used the apple juice flavored and tasted just like apple juice. never tried the unflavored myself.Originally Posted by pjflynn
07-15-2004, 08:21 AM
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