Can Epistane be taken without a liver support?

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    Can Epistane be taken without a liver support?


    So i ordered epistane, liver support, and PCT, I keep hearing epistane is on the lower end of the scale of PH's, can it be taken without a liver support? they forgot to send it with my order.

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    You definitely could use some while on Epi because even if it is on the low side when it comes to Liver damage its still methylated and will put stress on your liver to an extent.
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    Look at this Thread Epistane toxicity
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    Quote Originally Posted by quickstart View Post
    So i ordered epistane, liver support, and PCT, I keep hearing epistane is on the lower end of the scale of PH's, can it be taken without a liver support? they forgot to send it with my order.
    Supposedly. I mean if you read the "write up" you would think so. Heres a direct quote,

    "If you dont want to worry about how your lipid and liver values are doing and whether or not you are going to get gynocomastia or not then get Epistane, stop worrying, and experience what others are raving about!"
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    IMO Liver support while on cycle is not a good idea. Its just like trying to get sober while you keep on drinking your not leveling out the dmge being put on your liver by taking milk thistle. Save it for pct. As well as milk thistle does make your ph alot less potent due to putting blockage on androgen receptors.
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    Are there any methylated prescription drugs?

    What I'm wondering - when Doc's prescribe these drugs (if they exist) - then do they also prescribe liver support?

    I take the sup's - but I'm very skeptical they really do anything. Then again - I'm not that smart on things like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HondaV65 View Post
    Are there any methylated prescription drugs?

    What I'm wondering - when Doc's prescribe these drugs (if they exist) - then do they also prescribe liver support?

    I take the sup's - but I'm very skeptical they really do anything. Then again - I'm not that smart on things like this.
    Milk thistle does help liver values.. But like I said it kinda makes no sense to do it on cycle as it does make the ph less potent And also Like I compared it to its Like trying to get yourself sober while you keep on drinking.. makes no sense IMO though. Thats just my 2 cents. Id save it for post cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ward5742 View Post
    Milk thistle does help liver values.. But like I said it kinda makes no sense to do it on cycle as it does make the ph less potent And also Like I compared it to its Like trying to get yourself sober while you keep on drinking.. makes no sense IMO though. Thats just my 2 cents. Id save it for post cycle.
    i understand what you are saying, but wouldnt taking some sort of liver support help reduce stress on the liver just a little bit? Also by how much does it make the ph less potent?
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    bro use a liver support product, just space it out from your ph dose, ie 4-5 hrs after your ph dose,
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    After a short google search of "epistane bloodwork" it looks like a lot of people ran this with very little liver and lipid changes, however there was still the people who's values were significantly affected.

    Yes you can run epi with no support supps, but no one is going to advise that and I certainly would suggest running cycle support, the only way you could tell if YOU dont need liver support is bloodwork during the cycle, the reality is some people can run this and probably have no sides, but then again some people will have substantial changes in lipids and liver enzymes...

    You'll have to be your own guinea pig if you want to see if you need liver support, and I have seen plenty of bloodwork using liver support and those values were shot

    Bottom, every single person will usually react differently
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydollars View Post
    After a short google search of "epistane bloodwork" it looks like a lot of people ran this with very little liver and lipid changes, however there was still the people who's values were significantly affected.

    Yes you can run epi with no support supps, but no one is going to advise that and I certainly would suggest running cycle support, the only way you could tell if YOU dont need liver support is bloodwork during the cycle, the reality is some people can run this and probably have no sides, but then again some people will have substantial changes in lipids and liver enzymes...

    You'll have to be your own guinea pig if you want to see if you need liver support, and I have seen plenty of bloodwork using liver support and those values were shot

    Bottom, every single person will usually react differently
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    sure you can but why would you? if your going to spend money on a ph/ds,pct.food etc. why get cheap when it comes to liver support?

    just trying to help you see it from a different point of view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydollars View Post

    You'll have to be your own guinea pig if you want to see if you need liver support, and I have seen plenty of bloodwork using liver support and those values were shot

    Bottom, every single person will usually react differently
    So then the "liver support" didn't do jack s hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    So then the "liver support" didn't do jack s hit.
    I guess, for some people maybe it did, for others maybe it didn't

    But just looking at blood work available on the different boards, some people run every support supp known and their blood work sucks, values skyrocketing, then there are others run all the supports and they aren't affected too much, so I suppose the only way to see if certain support supps work or not would be for one person to run identical cycles, one with all the supports supps, one without, and have comprehensive blood work done to evaluate what works or not for them, but again that may only be how it affects them, it could be totally different for someone else

    I remember Primordial a while back touting their liver juice and wanting people run blood work while on a methyl make some sort of guarantee or something, I am not 100% sure but there was something along these lines, I wonder if anything ever come of this
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    So then the "liver support" didn't do jack s hit.
    I think liver support should be used post cycle. But your body, your choices go for it to use it on cycle.
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    great thread
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    can it be taken without liver support, yes, is it good practice, No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quickstart View Post
    So i ordered epistane, liver support, and PCT, I keep hearing epistane is on the lower end of the scale of PH's, can it be taken without a liver support? they forgot to send it with my order.
    Do what you want.

    I ran superdrol for 6 weeks straight without a single "support supp".

    Liver toxicity is highly exaggerated if you cycle properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1187

    Do what you want.

    I ran superdrol for 6 weeks straight without a single "support supp".

    Liver toxicity is highly exaggerated if you cycle properly.
    what sort of gains did u have on a 6 weeker, how high did u dose SD
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightclub2012 View Post
    what sort of gains did u have on a 6 weeker, how high did u dose SD
    20mg the whole time, stacked with weaker stuff.

    17lbs in 6 weeks, but I've been sicker than a dog lately so after PCT it's looking like I'll keep around 12 of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone

    Supposedly. I mean if you read the "write up" you would think so. Heres a direct quote,

    "If you dont want to worry about how your lipid and liver values are doing and whether or not you are going to get gynocomastia or not then get Epistane, stop worrying, and experience what others are raving about!"
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    Listen get the liver support If you want the best liver support get Doctors Best SAMe. Take it four hours after dosing the epistane. You could also get cycle assist or something but dose the liver support four hours after epistane.(or before if that time frame works better).
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