Why Quad Soreness After Tren Injection?

  1. Banned
    bt4ever's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    48
    Posts
    26
    Rep Power
    0
    Level
    5
    Lv. Percent
    32.93%

    Question Why Quad Soreness After Tren Injection?


    Does anyone know how to prevent or minimize soreness in your quads after a tren injection? The tren is 100mg/ml made from a universalkits conversion. I don't get the soreness in the glutes when I do the injection there. I am adding 1cc of B12 to the injection. I need to know something since I have to rotate injection sites due to eod injections. The quads will be coming back around on the rotation next Tuesday. I am currently rotating between both glutes and quads.

  2. Elite Member
    ManBeast's Avatar
    Stats
    5'7"  XXX lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Age
    32
    Posts
    6,515
    Rep Power
    48651
    Level
    54
    Lv. Percent
    23.8%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Are your quads "big" enough to take 2cc easily? I know that puttin that much volume into mine can cause some discomfort for me for a couple days.

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*
  3. New Member
    Cannons's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Age
    37
    Posts
    27
    Rep Power
    140
    Level
    4
    Lv. Percent
    84.1%

    Could be a number of things actually. You may have knicked a nerve or a blood vessel, that will cause some soreness (notice I said knicked a nerve, you'll know if you hit one dead on!). Also, some people just experience soreness from shooting in the quads, some don't. You may be one of those who experience the pain. If its not too much to bear, just take a couple of aspirin or something to that effect, if its to unbearable, find a new place to inject. Just my 2 cents bro.
    •   
       

  4. New Member
    morfiend's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    257
    Rep Power
    266
    Level
    14
    Lv. Percent
    2.46%

    im limping from my tren/prop injections for a few days each time. not fun. i've found that if i just bite the bullet and grind out my leg workouts, it feels tons better... cardio seems to help at the time, but the next day it hurt 10x worse...

    advil kinda, just takes the edge of a little..
  5. Advanced Member
    jjjd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    703
    Rep Power
    998
    Level
    21
    Lv. Percent
    67.91%

    i would recommend against advil for the following reason. advil is an NSAID.

    NSAID's, there is some evidence, is problematic for weight trainers as they interfere with the response to training. iow, to put it simply, by cutting down the inflammation response, they cut into gains from training, which as the russians rightly say, training IS an irritant

    for pain relief, i would stay away from NSAID. opiates even , or non-NSAID analgesics are a better option for weight trainers

    from a medical text:

    NSAID’s work mainly by preventing the formation of prostaglandins, hormone-like substances which trigger pain and inflammation. Prostaglandins are produced within the body's cells by the enzyme cyclooxygenase (Cox). In 1989 scientists discovered that there are two varieties of the Cox enzyme - which came to be known as COX-1 and COX-2. COX-1 is continuously secreted within the stomach and duodenum, and is important for maintaining a healthy stomach lining, normal kidney function and the clotting action of blood platelets. In contrast, the COX-2 enzyme is primarily found at sites of inflammation.

    translation: NSAID are not good for weigh trainers.
  6. New Member
    morfiend's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    257
    Rep Power
    266
    Level
    14
    Lv. Percent
    2.46%

    theres people who chronically take NSAID's who don't seem to suffer from muscle wasting. yes, anecdotal, but I'm sure you've seen this too.


    if you're really worried about it, take the NSAID after you workout.
  7. Advanced Member
    jjjd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    703
    Rep Power
    998
    Level
    21
    Lv. Percent
    67.91%

    i never said they would suffer from muscle wasting. i am saying that evidence supports the idea that NSAIDs decrease the hypertrophy response TO training, which means less gains over a given unit of time

    it is, at worst, a valid theory.

    i do not see how taking NSAIDs "after training" would elminate the effect. are you claiming that prostoglandins etc. don't exist AFTER training?

    that is nonsensical

    this is not about NSAIDs meaning you won't gain strength or size. it is about them DECREASING same. iow, that you would get a greater strength/size response from training WITHOUT THEM

    and when there are alternative drugs to NSAIDS that do NOT have a negative effect on hypertrophy/strength gains, it is ridiculous for a weight trainer to take NSAIDs

    most training advice is about optimizing results.

    for example, on will not get "muscle wasting" on an insufficient amount of protein vs. an optimal amount

    one will get LESS results.

    who wants to decrease the results of training?
  8. New Member
    morfiend's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    257
    Rep Power
    266
    Level
    14
    Lv. Percent
    2.46%

    Quote Originally Posted by jjjd
    i do not see how taking NSAIDs "after training" would elminate the effect. are you claiming that prostoglandins etc. don't exist AFTER training?

    that is nonsensical
    No I didn't say prostoglandins don't exist after training. PG starting up protein synthesis is limited to a relatively short timeframe post-workout, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeletal muscle PGF(2)(alpha) and PGE(2) in response to eccentric resistance exercise: influence of ibuprofen acetaminophen.

    Trappe TA, Fluckey JD, White F, Lambert CP, Evans WJ.
    PGs have been shown to modulate skeletal muscle protein metabolism as well as inflammation and pain. In nonskeletal muscle tissues, the over the counter analgesic drugs ibuprofen and acetaminophen function through suppression of PG synthesis. We previously reported that ibuprofen and acetaminophen inhibit the normal increase in skeletal muscle protein synthesis after high intensity eccentric resistance exercise. The current study examined skeletal muscle PG levels in the same subjects to further investigate the mechanisms of action of these drugs in exercised skeletal muscle. Twenty-four males (25 +/- 3 yr) were assigned to 3 groups that received the maximal over the counter dose of ibuprofen (1200 mg/d), acetaminophen (4000 mg/d), or a placebo after 10-14 sets of 10 eccentric repetitions at 120% of concentric 1 repetition maximum using the knee extensors. Preexercise and 24 h postexercise biopsies of the vastus lateralis revealed that the exercise-induced change in PGF(2alpha) in the placebo group (77%) was significantly different (P < 0.05) from those in the ibuprofen (-1%) and acetaminophen (-14%) groups. However, the exercise-induced change in PGE(2) in the placebo group (64%) was only significantly different (P < 0.05) from that in the acetaminophen group (-16%). The exercise-induced changes in PGF(2alpha) and PGE(2) were not different between the ibuprofen and acetaminophen groups. These results suggest that ibuprofen and acetaminophen have a comparable effect on suppressing the normal increase in PGF(2alpha) in human skeletal muscle after eccentric resistance exercise, which may profoundly influence the anabolic response of muscle to this form of exercise.
    Look at the doses they used, pretty high huh? Too bad they haven't done any studies using lower doses, that I could find anyways..

    They continually say AFTER resistance exercise, which from reading articles on pg's made me think their inhibition after workout wouldn't be a big deal.
  9. Advanced Member
    jjjd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    703
    Rep Power
    998
    Level
    21
    Lv. Percent
    67.91%

    i have never said it was a big deal. it is simply a "deal". why anybody would take a drug that has negative effects on weight training response when they can take another drug that doesn't is beyond me.

    it's ridiculous, and it's that simple
  10. Banned
    bt4ever's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    48
    Posts
    26
    Rep Power
    0
    Level
    5
    Lv. Percent
    32.93%

    Thanks for the responses. I took another quad injection yesterday and I cut the amount from 2cc to 1cc and I have not experienced near as much soreness as I usually did. Don't get me wrong, still some soreness but more bearable than before. I didn't even add B12 to the injection this time either.
  11. New Member
    morfiend's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    257
    Rep Power
    266
    Level
    14
    Lv. Percent
    2.46%

    Quote Originally Posted by jjjd
    i have never said it was a big deal. it is simply a "deal". why anybody would take a drug that has negative effects on weight training response when they can take another drug that doesn't is beyond me.

    it's ridiculous, and it's that simple

    yeah i agree don't take it if you can help it.. but it's not a huge deal if you do want to take some advil. what other drug could he take, btw? i can't think of an easily obtainable opiate that doesn't have a NSAID paired with it.
  12. Board Supporter
    zeromagnus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    189
    Rep Power
    239
    Level
    13
    Lv. Percent
    3.8%

    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast
    Are your quads "big" enough to take 2cc easily? I know that puttin that much volume into mine can cause some discomfort for me for a couple days.

    ManBeast
    Is there a list anywhere that tells the muscle and the approximate amount of liquid that can be injected into said muslce? I know this will vary for everyone, but there must be an average.
  13. Board Supporter
    bigmark1972's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Age
    42
    Posts
    222
    Rep Power
    345
    Level
    14
    Lv. Percent
    9.91%

    I think the solvent used in some kits causes tissue nucrosis. I did a 12 wk tren cyle with ED injections and I ended up having to use virtually every injection site to keep the nucrosis down to a minimum. Other gear does not seem to do this, and I think the solvent used to dissolve the pellets it to blame.
  14. Board Supporter
    zeromagnus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    189
    Rep Power
    239
    Level
    13
    Lv. Percent
    3.8%

    I have tren/prop in the same bottle and I've had to inject practically everywhere to give my sites enough rest to recuperate. I must say the worst place so far was the second time I put 1cc in each delt.
  15. Board Supporter
    willieman's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Age
    50
    Posts
    270
    Rep Power
    263
    Level
    15
    Lv. Percent
    14.29%

    I have been dealing with that same issue, inject in quads, and 1 day later,

    stiff and sore for a couple of days...they are now getting used to it, and putting a heatingpad, for
    20 minutes or so after inject seems to help.

    peace
  16. Elite Member
    Matthew D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Posts
    5,014
    Rep Power
    0
    Level
    46
    Lv. Percent
    99.19%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    I guess that you guys haven't injected prop before.. I know all the tren I have made was damn smooth..
  17. Board Supporter
    bigmark1972's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Age
    42
    Posts
    222
    Rep Power
    345
    Level
    14
    Lv. Percent
    9.91%

    I have injected plenty of prop, it hurts also but it is a different type of pain. When I was shooting tren every day after about 6wks I could actually hear the pin "crunching" through the muscle it was like the tissue was hard or something. After a few months that went away but it was hard to even get the pin into a few spots.
  18. Elite Member
    ManBeast's Avatar
    Stats
    5'7"  XXX lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Age
    32
    Posts
    6,515
    Rep Power
    48651
    Level
    54
    Lv. Percent
    23.8%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    How many sites were you rotating through? Sounds like some scar tissue buildup.

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*
  19. Board Supporter
    bigmark1972's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Age
    42
    Posts
    222
    Rep Power
    345
    Level
    14
    Lv. Percent
    9.91%

    I agree but it went away after the cycle. I was using pretty much everything except bi's and traps. I can't turn around to shoot my glutes so I was using quads/delts/tris/pecs/calves. Bi's hurt like hell for me when I stick'em, especially with tren. 12 week cycles with ED inject get real old real fast lol I wish someone would come out with a trenbolone cypionate kit.
  20. Elite Member
    Matthew D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Posts
    5,014
    Rep Power
    0
    Level
    46
    Lv. Percent
    99.19%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    That does sound like scar tissue formation..
  21. Board Sponsor
    bigpetefox's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Posts
    3,685
    Rep Power
    2017
    Level
    42
    Lv. Percent
    38.81%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by bigmark1972
    I think the solvent used in some kits causes tissue nucrosis. I did a 12 wk tren cyle with ED injections and I ended up having to use virtually every injection site to keep the nucrosis down to a minimum. Other gear does not seem to do this, and I think the solvent used to dissolve the pellets it to blame.
    You'd better hope you didn't have tissue necrosis, that means the tissue is dying.. BA in excessive amounts can cause this, btu I doubt you'll find gear with that much BA in the concentration..
  22. Board Supporter
    bigmark1972's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Age
    42
    Posts
    222
    Rep Power
    345
    Level
    14
    Lv. Percent
    9.91%

    You'd better hope you didn't have tissue necrosis, that means the tissue is dying.. BA in excessive amounts can cause this, btu I doubt you'll find gear with that much BA in the concentration..
    Yeah, I know this that is why I am blaming the solvent used for breaking up the pellets. As far as I know everything is fine now injects go nicely with no crunchies at all, but it has been 3 years since that cycle.
  

  
 

Similar Forum Threads

  1. heavy leg routine after test injection in quad?
    By lexmuscle in forum Male Anti-Aging Medicine
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 02-21-2012, 10:14 AM
  2. From Methyls to Tren inject.
    By Chicken in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 34
    Last Post: 05-14-2007, 06:52 PM
  3. Tren injection causes rash?
    By unitas27 in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 04-27-2006, 07:06 PM
  4. Anyone else feeling sore after SledgeTest
    By skumster225 in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 09-01-2005, 09:19 AM
  5. Tren injection frequency
    By Cannons in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 06-15-2004, 11:44 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Log in
Log in