First cycle Havoc & tren-E x advice

  1. First cycle Havoc & tren-E x advice


    Going to be running my first cycle of Havoc and Tren-E. Then for PCT i going to run nolva, Formestane, activate and after activate Mass FX with supremacy.

    Havoc: 10/20/20/30
    Tren: 60/90/90/120/120

    start using Formestane week 4

    PCT run nolva (not sure of dose yet), activate till finished then start Mass FX and supremacy.

    Going to be taking Fish oil, joint supps, vit E, vit C, Anabolic innovations life support, Vit B 5, Vit B6 and ZMA the whole way through.

    I know you not meant to stack PH on ya first stack but the spawn stack is meant to be really good plus i am keeping the dose low... i think anyways

    Whats everyones advice/comments. I think i got the havoc dose right but not sure about the Tren and nolva


  2. 120 mg of pro dienolone is not a light dose. Light would be 60, normal is 90.
    Spawn was dosed per cap:
    8mg epi
    30mg pro dienolone
    Here's a good cycle:
    Tren-E 90/90/90/90/90/90
    Havoc. 30/30/30/30/30/30

    As far as nolva...40/30/20/20 I like clomid better.

    Pro dienolone is known to boost prolactin levels which causes gyno. Look into that.

  3. This is my first cycle and you think i should jump right up to 30mg of havoc and run a 6 week cycle.
    I have read that your first cycle is most important and the cycle you will gain the most off.
    What type of gains should i be expecting?
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  4. Epi is the least of your concerns! It's the Pro Dienolone that's going to F you up if you're not careful.

    Just run a solo Epi cycle at 30/30/30/30 if your worried.

    Gains will depend on your diet.

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  5. I thought Tren was pretty safe as its not methylated. In what way would it F me up? I have some time on my hands over the next few months so this will be my only cycle for maybe years. So i want to do it right and get the most out of it.
    I have been researching for months.

    I also have liver longer, other livers supps, HGHup and proprecia for DHT issues

  6. Quote Originally Posted by bakerderek0 View Post
    120 mg of pro dienolone is not a light dose. Light would be 60, normal is 90.
    Spawn was dosed per cap:
    8mg epi
    30mg pro dienolone
    Here's a good cycle:
    Tren-E 90/90/90/90/90/90
    Havoc. 30/30/30/30/30/30

    As far as nolva...40/30/20/20 I like clomid better.

    Pro dienolone is known to boost prolactin levels which causes gyno. Look into that.
    I agree with ^^

    For PCT i would recommend:

    Weeks 1-4 --> Nolva 40 | 20 | 20 | 10 mg ED (or start from 20mg if you like)
    Weeks 1-4 --> Clomid 100 | 50 | 50 | 25 mg ED

    As far as liver, LV(TUDCA) is all you need.
    I don't think you'll have any DHT problems but if you do i highly don't recommend propecia, many people had some serious issues with this drug. Try something topical
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  7. With nolva do i dose once a day or what?
    Well nolva has maximum plasma levels is 3-6 hours and the plasma half-life is 10-15 hours and it says take with or without food

  8. Quote Originally Posted by DangerouStyle View Post
    With nolva do i dose once a day or what?
    Well nolva has maximum plasma levels is 3-6 hours and the plasma half-life is 10-15 hours and it says take with or without food
    Try to split Nolva in 2 doses every 7-8 hours.
    Don't really think it will make a difference with or without food.
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  9. I going to start on day 1 with 10mg of havoc and increase it to 20mg by end of week 1.
    This should give my body some time to adjust to havoc. I will run tren e at 60mg the whole and maybe putting it up to 90mg at the end.
    Wont having a big space between this and my next cycle reduce my tolerance?
    What kinda gains am i looking at? Also how will i know if i taking enough or if i should raise the dose?
    Also wondering if there is any noticable signs of how my liver is coping or how much harm i am doing

  10. Quote Originally Posted by DangerouStyle View Post
    I thought Tren was pretty safe as its not methylated. In what way would it F me up? I have some time on my hands over the next few months so this will be my only cycle for maybe years. So i want to do it right and get the most out of it.
    I have been researching for months.

    I also have liver longer, other livers supps, HGHup and proprecia for DHT issues
    The tren-e will boost your prolactin levels. If you're prone/unprepared to gyno, you will risk growing tits. The fact that it's unmethylated means it is less harsh on your liver. Goodluck, with everything. You will see some sick strength gains if you run it right.

  11. dude, just run epi for your first cycle. its capable of yielding great gains with much less risk then if you tossed in the tren with it.
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