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    Methylated AI?


    I was just going through my stockpile and came across some interesting products that have accumulated throughout the years.

    What would the point of this product be and is it supposed to be run as part of PCT (being methylated seems to defeat the purpose if so)? Also I do not plan on using it anytime soon.

    "The evolution of Aromatase Inhibitor"

    2a, 3a-epithio- 17a-methyletioallocholanol
    1, 4, 6 etioallocholan-dione
    3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene

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    Ginger 40mg

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaponeCEO View Post
    I was just going through my stockpile and came across some interesting products that have accumulated throughout the years.

    What would the point of this product be and is it supposed to be run as part of PCT (being methylated seems to defeat the purpose if so)? Also I do not plan on using it anytime soon.

    "The evolution of Aromatase Inhibitor"

    2a, 3a-epithio- 17a-methyletioallocholanol
    1, 4, 6 etioallocholan-dione
    3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene

    Vitamin B12 1mg
    Vitamin C 60mg
    Vanadyl Sulfate 10mg

    "Liver Assist"
    MSM 300mg
    Milk Thistle 250mg
    ALA 40mg
    Ginger 40mg

    PCT Proprietary Blend 440mg
    Red Kidney Beans Powder, NAC, Kudzu, Maca, Dodder Seed, Epimedium, Eurycoma Longifolia, Avena Sativa
    unless im greatly mistaken that first compound is epistane an actual steroid- that does combat estro but uhh no do not use in pct
    Test e/dbol/epi/winnie
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    1 dht derivative oral methylated steroid

    2 aromatase inhibitors. atd, and dont know the name for the other one. (dont think it has one)
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    Is That Arimevol by Evo Labs?

    That's Epi in 5mg caps, no?
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    epi yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Is That Arimevol by Evo Labs?

    That's Epi in 5mg caps, no?
    Yes another winner by Evo Labs. Thier SD clone was good, but I'm not sure about the rest of thier products.

    I wouldn't use this product in PCT, but correct me if I'm wrong AI's are used in PCT more then anything right? The reason I posted it was because it was Methylated and would not make sense to be used in PCT.
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    i have read of some doods usin low dose epi in their pct with great results...
    makes sense.

    i enjoyed a lower dose pulse more than a higher dose pulse for the same reasons that it should wrk in pct...
    concentrations fell low enough by the next morning to serve as an anti-estro.

    i dunno.
    looks like it would crush estrogen, that's for sure...
    atd and all...
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    5mg shuldnt tax the organs much...

    check out gepharma testrofire for a heavy methyl dose in pct...
    i might run this as a standalone to cut this summer, but, dammmmm...
    20mg cynostane >>>> 5mg epi...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaponeCEO View Post
    Yes another winner by Evo Labs. Thier SD clone was good, but I'm not sure about the rest of thier products.

    I wouldn't use this product in PCT, but correct me if I'm wrong AI's are used in PCT more then anything right? The reason I posted it was because it was Methylated and would not make sense to be used in PCT.
    It doesn't make sense to be used in PCT b/c it's a suppressive anabolic steroid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    It doesn't make sense to be used in PCT b/c it's a suppressive anabolic steroid.
    exactly, dont use a focking steroid in pct- thats idiotic, i read about a dude on here named zombie muscle who was using diesel bolan in his pct at a low dose- hes not on here anymore- which is good
    Test e/dbol/epi/winnie
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    I like to use 5mg of superdrol in my pct, it makes me feel great!
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    lol^

    That was a joke, no readers try that.
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    it's not suppressive at low doses...
    in fact, quite the opposite.

    different compounds do different things.
    best to read up on the compound in question before baggin it.
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    anavar at 10mg is suppressive to hpta function. epistane will be supressive, even at 5mg.

    even the current sarms are supressive according to studies done on them.

    obviosly the level of supression varies each compound. this is where dose, and length of time will come into play.

    just because you dont notice it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    lol^

    That was a joke, no readers try that.
    yup, it's actually 4mg of boladrol.
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    Arimevol is good product and quality Epi clone but has ATD in it so this will destroy your libido.
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    check.
    my thoughts exactly.
    atd is icky.

    epi?
    (from another thread, one of perhaps thousands, that will all say the same thing):
    " Well epi actually stimulates LH initially because of it's anti-e activity (or at least doesn't suppress it based on studies of it's free alcohol) ... "

    Where in "stimulates LH" does one read "suppress"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    check.
    my thoughts exactly.
    atd is icky.

    epi?
    (from another thread, one of perhaps thousands, that will all say the same thing):
    " Well epi actually stimulates LH initially because of it's anti-e activity (or at least doesn't suppress it based on studies of it's free alcohol) ... "

    Where in "stimulates LH" does one read "suppress"?
    epi is supressive you f
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    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    epi is supressive you f
    you know, i haven't read that paper.
    maybe you can cite it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    you know, i haven't read that paper.
    maybe you can cite it?
    There is probably no "paper" stating epi is suppressive. Anabolic steroids are suppressive, epistane is an anabolic steroid ergo epistane is suppressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    There is probably no "paper" stating epi is suppressive. Anabolic steroids are suppressive, epistane is an anabolic steroid ergo epistane is suppressive.
    then explain the fact that it (under certain conditions) stimulates lh?

    the logic that you and others are employing is fallacious, as it invites judgments such as:

    Sugar is fattening.
    Cellulose is sugar.
    Therefore, cellulose is fattening.
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    the claim that epistane has anti estrogenic effects is made up.

    it is the analog, (i believe non methylated) that has anti estrogenic properties.

    only anti estrogenic properties methepiostanol has is from it's androgenic effects, and it has these because it is an androgen and binds to the androgen receptor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    It doesn't make sense to be used in PCT b/c it's a suppressive anabolic steroid.
    What I meant was Aromatase Inhibitors are used mainly in PCT. This being a Methylated AI would only make it good for a stand alone cycle. I started this thread because methylated AI's aren't common. The slogan on the box is "The Evolution of the Aromatase Inhibitor", which really means the steroiding of the Aromatase Inhibitor.
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    See? I find this interesting. Cuz lately in my quest to learn about the compounds I've read way more than once that some peeps use low dose D-Bol, low dose Var and now even low dose Epi during PCT...?

    This makes me think (and maybe others?) that if these can be used during PCT then one could think that doing those alone, as a regular low dose cycle (say 8 weeks at 10mg) then no PCT would be required???...

    But then if you take it a step further one could ask why couldnt any compound be run at low doses for extended time period?

    For example, how and why would 12 weeks of 5mg Superdrol be worse than 4 weeks at 30mg? I ask because 4 weeks at 30 is ingesting 900mg, while 5mg at 12 weeks is only 450mg. And the later would allow more time for any gains to solidify.

    Thoughts?
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    On the issue with Epistane being used as part of a PCT regimen. I have ran Havoc numerous times and personally love it. I luckily have minimal side effects from it, although I have never done blood work. I would not personally use it as part of PCT, but the fact this it is a mild PH could give the perception that it is safe to use as part of PCT. I would like to see some actual facts though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    the claim that epistane has anti estrogenic effects is made up.
    so, you figure that the thousands of page hits for 'epi epistane anti estrogen' are all made up?

    every supplement company that advertises these properties is a liar?

    plus, the personal experiences of experienced persons who have utilized epi successfully to this end in pct... i guess these guys are delusional too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by imjuschillin View Post
    See? I find this interesting. Cuz lately in my quest to learn about the compounds I've read way more than once that some peeps use low dose D-Bol, low dose Var and now even low dose Epi during PCT...?

    This makes me think (and maybe others?) that if these can be used during PCT then one could think that doing those alone, as a regular low dose cycle (say 8 weeks at 10mg) then no PCT would be required???...

    But then if you take it a step further one could ask why couldnt any compound be run at low doses for extended time period?

    For example, how and why would 12 weeks of 5mg Superdrol be worse than 4 weeks at 30mg? I ask because 4 weeks at 30 is ingesting 900mg, while 5mg at 12 weeks is only 450mg. And the later would allow more time for any gains to solidify.

    Thoughts?
    Low doses will not give you the same results that higher doses will. Therefor from a financial stand point you are just wasting your money. Running a low dose for a log period of time is certainly better then running high doses for longer time frames, however you are still risking your liver when you do something for longer then what is considered a normal run.
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    I started this thread because methylated AI's aren't common.
    like i wrote before, check out ge pharma testrofire if you wanna see a monster of a product...suitable as a standalone only, i would guess. so, seeing as how it was so weird, i had to buy a bottle to play with, as a standalone, this summer...

    For example, how and why would 12 weeks of 5mg Superdrol be worse than 4 weeks at 30mg? I ask because 4 weeks at 30 is ingesting 900mg, while 5mg at 12 weeks is only 450mg. And the later would allow more time for any gains to solidify.
    check out unreal machine's superdrol thread... options like this are tossed around.
    except for the 4 weeks at 30.
    that seems excessive...
    and the 5mg seems too little.
    the thread recommends not going below 10...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    like i wrote before, check out ge pharma testrofire if you wanna see a monster of a product...suitable as a standalone only, i would guess. so, seeing as how it was so weird, i had to buy a bottle to play with, as a standalone, this summer...


    You are tempting me to give Arimevol a stand alone run this summer too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaponeCEO View Post
    You are tempting me to give Arimevol a stand alone run this summer too.
    why not?
    we should dual log it, something like 'double barrel 1 - twilight of the mutant pct...'
    nothin but action: zombie killin, summer fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    then explain the fact that it (under certain conditions) stimulates lh?

    the logic that you and others are employing is fallacious, as it invites judgments such as:

    Sugar is fattening.
    Cellulose is sugar.
    Therefore, cellulose is fattening.
    No, your statement is a fallacy, not mine. Anabolic steroids are suppressive. All of them. Your first proposition is what is false because "Sugar is fattening" is not true.

    Try again, try hard.
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    sugar in low doses is not fattening...

    which is the reason for my using this example in the first place.

    reason by analogy.

    it is not a trick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    sugar in low doses is not fattening...

    which is the reason for my using this example in the first place.

    reason by analogy.

    it is not a trick.
    I never said it was a trick. It's not called "reason by analogy", it's called arguing with a false clause. Your reason for using the example was to prove that argument can be flawed, and yes it can, however you first said my premise was incorrect, and yet your clause is (and premise, in fact).

    Epistane is suppressive, end of story.

    Here's a bloodwork example of someone starting PCT from an epistane cycle...:

    Day 0 (pct starts):

    LH: 1.54, 1.51, 1.60 (mIU/ml)
    FSH: 2.20, 2.37, 2.79 (mIU/ml)
    Test: 250, 256, 264 (ng/dl)

    Day 10 (ten days into pct):

    LH: 2.43, 1.94, 1.54
    FSH: 3.65, 3.27, 3.92
    Test: 402, 418, 435

    From 'dis thread righ' here
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    look, man...

    i am tired of runnin around with you on this issue.
    clearly you are more interested in mischaracterizing the point of contention
    in order to win whatever it is you seem to think is the argument,
    than dealing with facts as presented.

    of course, a straight cycle of epistane is gonna shut you down.
    that is not the point of contention.

    sugar is fattening.
    if enough is consumed in a given time frame.
    that is not false.
    and should not be a point of contention.

    the point is that small, especially initial, doses of epi stimulate lh.
    and,
    if it clears the body or remains at levels low enough for (especially nightly) test production to take place,
    then daily small doses can ALL be considered initial.

    now, unless you have some blood work that shows this to be incorrect,
    i expect that we can simply walk away from this issue.
    if you don't wanna believe this,
    then fine.
    i frankly don't care what you think about it because it simply is not that important.
    if i thought that this information could save your life, or improve it in some way, then i would try harder to make sure that you understood.
    but, it won't make ANY difference to you or to anyone else if you ever take 5 mgs of epistane a day for a few weeks after a cycle of steroids.

    i figure enough said.
    with all due respect, and perhaps even some undue respect,
    out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    look, man...
    Except the thread is about running it during PCT. Not just out of the blue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    so, you figure that the thousands of page hits for 'epi epistane anti estrogen' are all made up?

    every supplement company that advertises these properties is a liar?

    plus, the personal experiences of experienced persons who have utilized epi successfully to this end in pct... i guess these guys are delusional too?
    two words, "bro science".....

    those people are all mis informed d/t the "write ups" for epistane discussing it being an analog of a steroidial aromatase inhibitor used in japan for decades.

    it doesn't matter if you agree with me, because people who actually know something about steroids, will agree with me.

    I'm getting sick of newbies who dont know a steroid from their ass telling me about aas.

    you really need to research more, but I guess if you dont know the basics of androgenic/anabolic chemistry, then its easy to understand why you fall victim to bro science.

    go read a book. learn something.


    i'll say it again, epistane is not an aromatase inhibitor, nor is there any studies I know of showing it does.

    it is a methylated oral androgenic/anabolic steroid, and is a methylated dht derivative. maybe on of it's metabolites has some aromatase inhibition activity, but the steroid itself, does not.

    epistane is not an anti estrogenic compound.

    it is a highly anabolic/moderately androgenic compound.

    being that epistane(methepistanol) mg for mg is stronger than anavar (oxymetholone), and 10mg of anavar has been shown in numerous clinical studies on humans to cause hpta supression, saying 5mg of epistane e/d wont effect you is stupid, and shoes how little you know about steroids.
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    i appreciate your concern.
    and, especially, the time you are ALL taking here to correct me...
    i know, you all have better things to do.
    and, i believe that you are taking your time to correct me out of a genuine concern,
    both for me and for the community at large.
    you are good people.
    i am grateful to have you on my side...
    this is all true.
    and i mean it.

    in the interest of absolute openness,
    i will confess that i am not an expert on steroid chemistry.
    i was a phd student in chemistry.
    i did do a fair amount of organic chemistry.
    biochemistry.
    clinical chemistry.
    and, i did run the pre-med program as an undergraduate,
    though took the acs chemistry degree instead.

    but, the information that i have taken on epistane comes mostly from anabolic minds.
    logs.
    the long pulse guide.
    some other stuff i read - especially company sites.
    other sites that would have shown up on web searches.
    tuned sports, for example - dunno if there is an epi post on there in particular, but it is one of the sites that i have read from a bit...
    some people callin epi 'landing gear' and usin it as a taper,
    crossing into pct proper with it.
    other doods runnin low doses straight up as part of pct.
    and, in clarification, i thought that i had read that it was an anti-estrogen with more serm-ish properties than a.i. properties...

    dunno how epi as an a.i. came up in the last post...

    finally,
    i should have you know that i live in korea,
    on an island,
    and am the only foreigner in my gym...
    no community here,
    no one to learn from.
    hell, no spotter.
    so, well, what i do learn i learn alone.
    as, what i do, i do alone.

    that said, i appreciate very much your attention.
    you -
    whether you like it or not! -
    are my lifting buddies...
    sorry about that.

    but, i am happy for it.
    especially for a set of doods honest and standup enough to tell me like it is,
    as they see it,
    without bull****e.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    i appreciate your concern.
    and, especially, the time you are ALL taking here to correct me...
    i know, you all have better things to do.
    and, i believe that you are taking your time to correct me out of a genuine concern,
    both for me and for the community at large.
    you are good people.
    i am grateful to have you on my side...
    this is all true.
    and i mean it.

    in the interest of absolute openness,
    i will confess that i am not an expert on steroid chemistry.
    i was a phd student in chemistry.
    i did do a fair amount of organic chemistry.
    biochemistry.
    clinical chemistry.
    and, i did run the pre-med program as an undergraduate,
    though took the acs chemistry degree instead.

    but, the information that i have taken on epistane comes mostly from anabolic minds.
    logs.
    the long pulse guide.
    some other stuff i read - especially company sites.
    other sites that would have shown up on web searches.
    tuned sports, for example - dunno if there is an epi post on there in particular, but it is one of the sites that i have read from a bit...
    some people callin epi 'landing gear' and usin it as a taper,
    crossing into pct proper with it.
    other doods runnin low doses straight up as part of pct.
    and, in clarification, i thought that i had read that it was an anti-estrogen with more serm-ish properties than a.i. properties...

    dunno how epi as an a.i. came up in the last post...

    finally,
    i should have you know that i live in korea,
    on an island,
    and am the only foreigner in my gym...
    no community here,
    no one to learn from.
    hell, no spotter.
    so, well, what i do learn i learn alone.
    as, what i do, i do alone.

    that said, i appreciate very much your attention.
    you -
    whether you like it or not! -
    are my lifting buddies...
    sorry about that.

    but, i am happy for it.
    especially for a set of doods honest and standup enough to tell me like it is,
    as they see it,
    without bull****e.

    Everyone is here to learn. Some of us know way more then others. I myself have been corrected, and will be corrected again. But I can guarantee each time I learn something I do not forget it. That is the point of this site. You will start to learn which posters knows thier sh*t and which will try to bullsh*t you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    Except the thread is about running it during PCT. Not just out of the blue.
    No this is a threat about Arimevol, which from what I have found out is Epi with an AI. Running Epi as PCT is something I would never do or post about!
  

  
 

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