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    Methylated AI?


    I was just going through my stockpile and came across some interesting products that have accumulated throughout the years.

    What would the point of this product be and is it supposed to be run as part of PCT (being methylated seems to defeat the purpose if so)? Also I do not plan on using it anytime soon.

    "The evolution of Aromatase Inhibitor"

    2a, 3a-epithio- 17a-methyletioallocholanol
    1, 4, 6 etioallocholan-dione
    3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene

    Vitamin B12 1mg
    Vitamin C 60mg
    Vanadyl Sulfate 10mg

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    ALA 40mg
    Ginger 40mg

    PCT Proprietary Blend 440mg
    Red Kidney Beans Powder, NAC, Kudzu, Maca, Dodder Seed, Epimedium, Eurycoma Longifolia, Avena Sativa

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaponeCEO View Post
    I was just going through my stockpile and came across some interesting products that have accumulated throughout the years.

    What would the point of this product be and is it supposed to be run as part of PCT (being methylated seems to defeat the purpose if so)? Also I do not plan on using it anytime soon.

    "The evolution of Aromatase Inhibitor"

    2a, 3a-epithio- 17a-methyletioallocholanol
    1, 4, 6 etioallocholan-dione
    3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene

    Vitamin B12 1mg
    Vitamin C 60mg
    Vanadyl Sulfate 10mg

    "Liver Assist"
    MSM 300mg
    Milk Thistle 250mg
    ALA 40mg
    Ginger 40mg

    PCT Proprietary Blend 440mg
    Red Kidney Beans Powder, NAC, Kudzu, Maca, Dodder Seed, Epimedium, Eurycoma Longifolia, Avena Sativa
    unless im greatly mistaken that first compound is epistane an actual steroid- that does combat estro but uhh no do not use in pct
    Test e/dbol/epi/winnie
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    1 dht derivative oral methylated steroid

    2 aromatase inhibitors. atd, and dont know the name for the other one. (dont think it has one)
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    Is That Arimevol by Evo Labs?

    That's Epi in 5mg caps, no?
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    epi yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Is That Arimevol by Evo Labs?

    That's Epi in 5mg caps, no?
    Yes another winner by Evo Labs. Thier SD clone was good, but I'm not sure about the rest of thier products.

    I wouldn't use this product in PCT, but correct me if I'm wrong AI's are used in PCT more then anything right? The reason I posted it was because it was Methylated and would not make sense to be used in PCT.
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    i have read of some doods usin low dose epi in their pct with great results...
    makes sense.

    i enjoyed a lower dose pulse more than a higher dose pulse for the same reasons that it should wrk in pct...
    concentrations fell low enough by the next morning to serve as an anti-estro.

    i dunno.
    looks like it would crush estrogen, that's for sure...
    atd and all...
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    5mg shuldnt tax the organs much...

    check out gepharma testrofire for a heavy methyl dose in pct...
    i might run this as a standalone to cut this summer, but, dammmmm...
    20mg cynostane >>>> 5mg epi...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaponeCEO View Post
    Yes another winner by Evo Labs. Thier SD clone was good, but I'm not sure about the rest of thier products.

    I wouldn't use this product in PCT, but correct me if I'm wrong AI's are used in PCT more then anything right? The reason I posted it was because it was Methylated and would not make sense to be used in PCT.
    It doesn't make sense to be used in PCT b/c it's a suppressive anabolic steroid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    It doesn't make sense to be used in PCT b/c it's a suppressive anabolic steroid.
    exactly, dont use a focking steroid in pct- thats idiotic, i read about a dude on here named zombie muscle who was using diesel bolan in his pct at a low dose- hes not on here anymore- which is good
    Test e/dbol/epi/winnie
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/164764-schwellington-has-been.html
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    I like to use 5mg of superdrol in my pct, it makes me feel great!
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    lol^

    That was a joke, no readers try that.
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    it's not suppressive at low doses...
    in fact, quite the opposite.

    different compounds do different things.
    best to read up on the compound in question before baggin it.
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    anavar at 10mg is suppressive to hpta function. epistane will be supressive, even at 5mg.

    even the current sarms are supressive according to studies done on them.

    obviosly the level of supression varies each compound. this is where dose, and length of time will come into play.

    just because you dont notice it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    lol^

    That was a joke, no readers try that.
    yup, it's actually 4mg of boladrol.
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    Arimevol is good product and quality Epi clone but has ATD in it so this will destroy your libido.
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    check.
    my thoughts exactly.
    atd is icky.

    epi?
    (from another thread, one of perhaps thousands, that will all say the same thing):
    " Well epi actually stimulates LH initially because of it's anti-e activity (or at least doesn't suppress it based on studies of it's free alcohol) ... "

    Where in "stimulates LH" does one read "suppress"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    check.
    my thoughts exactly.
    atd is icky.

    epi?
    (from another thread, one of perhaps thousands, that will all say the same thing):
    " Well epi actually stimulates LH initially because of it's anti-e activity (or at least doesn't suppress it based on studies of it's free alcohol) ... "

    Where in "stimulates LH" does one read "suppress"?
    epi is supressive you f
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    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    epi is supressive you f
    you know, i haven't read that paper.
    maybe you can cite it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    you know, i haven't read that paper.
    maybe you can cite it?
    There is probably no "paper" stating epi is suppressive. Anabolic steroids are suppressive, epistane is an anabolic steroid ergo epistane is suppressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    There is probably no "paper" stating epi is suppressive. Anabolic steroids are suppressive, epistane is an anabolic steroid ergo epistane is suppressive.
    then explain the fact that it (under certain conditions) stimulates lh?

    the logic that you and others are employing is fallacious, as it invites judgments such as:

    Sugar is fattening.
    Cellulose is sugar.
    Therefore, cellulose is fattening.
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    the claim that epistane has anti estrogenic effects is made up.

    it is the analog, (i believe non methylated) that has anti estrogenic properties.

    only anti estrogenic properties methepiostanol has is from it's androgenic effects, and it has these because it is an androgen and binds to the androgen receptor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    It doesn't make sense to be used in PCT b/c it's a suppressive anabolic steroid.
    What I meant was Aromatase Inhibitors are used mainly in PCT. This being a Methylated AI would only make it good for a stand alone cycle. I started this thread because methylated AI's aren't common. The slogan on the box is "The Evolution of the Aromatase Inhibitor", which really means the steroiding of the Aromatase Inhibitor.
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    See? I find this interesting. Cuz lately in my quest to learn about the compounds I've read way more than once that some peeps use low dose D-Bol, low dose Var and now even low dose Epi during PCT...?

    This makes me think (and maybe others?) that if these can be used during PCT then one could think that doing those alone, as a regular low dose cycle (say 8 weeks at 10mg) then no PCT would be required???...

    But then if you take it a step further one could ask why couldnt any compound be run at low doses for extended time period?

    For example, how and why would 12 weeks of 5mg Superdrol be worse than 4 weeks at 30mg? I ask because 4 weeks at 30 is ingesting 900mg, while 5mg at 12 weeks is only 450mg. And the later would allow more time for any gains to solidify.

    Thoughts?
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    On the issue with Epistane being used as part of a PCT regimen. I have ran Havoc numerous times and personally love it. I luckily have minimal side effects from it, although I have never done blood work. I would not personally use it as part of PCT, but the fact this it is a mild PH could give the perception that it is safe to use as part of PCT. I would like to see some actual facts though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    the claim that epistane has anti estrogenic effects is made up.
    so, you figure that the thousands of page hits for 'epi epistane anti estrogen' are all made up?

    every supplement company that advertises these properties is a liar?

    plus, the personal experiences of experienced persons who have utilized epi successfully to this end in pct... i guess these guys are delusional too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by imjuschillin View Post
    See? I find this interesting. Cuz lately in my quest to learn about the compounds I've read way more than once that some peeps use low dose D-Bol, low dose Var and now even low dose Epi during PCT...?

    This makes me think (and maybe others?) that if these can be used during PCT then one could think that doing those alone, as a regular low dose cycle (say 8 weeks at 10mg) then no PCT would be required???...

    But then if you take it a step further one could ask why couldnt any compound be run at low doses for extended time period?

    For example, how and why would 12 weeks of 5mg Superdrol be worse than 4 weeks at 30mg? I ask because 4 weeks at 30 is ingesting 900mg, while 5mg at 12 weeks is only 450mg. And the later would allow more time for any gains to solidify.

    Thoughts?
    Low doses will not give you the same results that higher doses will. Therefor from a financial stand point you are just wasting your money. Running a low dose for a log period of time is certainly better then running high doses for longer time frames, however you are still risking your liver when you do something for longer then what is considered a normal run.
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    I started this thread because methylated AI's aren't common.
    like i wrote before, check out ge pharma testrofire if you wanna see a monster of a product...suitable as a standalone only, i would guess. so, seeing as how it was so weird, i had to buy a bottle to play with, as a standalone, this summer...

    For example, how and why would 12 weeks of 5mg Superdrol be worse than 4 weeks at 30mg? I ask because 4 weeks at 30 is ingesting 900mg, while 5mg at 12 weeks is only 450mg. And the later would allow more time for any gains to solidify.
    check out unreal machine's superdrol thread... options like this are tossed around.
    except for the 4 weeks at 30.
    that seems excessive...
    and the 5mg seems too little.
    the thread recommends not going below 10...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jin View Post
    like i wrote before, check out ge pharma testrofire if you wanna see a monster of a product...suitable as a standalone only, i would guess. so, seeing as how it was so weird, i had to buy a bottle to play with, as a standalone, this summer...


    You are tempting me to give Arimevol a stand alone run this summer too.
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