- 01-10-2011, 08:17 PM
I was just going through my stockpile and came across some interesting products that have accumulated throughout the years.
What would the point of this product be and is it supposed to be run as part of PCT (being methylated seems to defeat the purpose if so)? Also I do not plan on using it anytime soon.
"The evolution of Aromatase Inhibitor"
2a, 3a-epithio- 17a-methyletioallocholanol
1, 4, 6 etioallocholan-dione
Vitamin B12 1mg
Vitamin C 60mg
Vanadyl Sulfate 10mg
Milk Thistle 250mg
PCT Proprietary Blend 440mg
Red Kidney Beans Powder, NAC, Kudzu, Maca, Dodder Seed, Epimedium, Eurycoma Longifolia, Avena Sativa
- 01-10-2011, 08:52 PM
01-10-2011, 08:55 PM
1 dht derivative oral methylated steroid
2 aromatase inhibitors. atd, and dont know the name for the other one. (dont think it has one)
01-10-2011, 09:02 PM
01-10-2011, 09:03 PM
01-10-2011, 10:13 PM
I wouldn't use this product in PCT, but correct me if I'm wrong AI's are used in PCT more then anything right? The reason I posted it was because it was Methylated and would not make sense to be used in PCT.
01-11-2011, 01:53 PM
i have read of some doods usin low dose epi in their pct with great results...
i enjoyed a lower dose pulse more than a higher dose pulse for the same reasons that it should wrk in pct...
concentrations fell low enough by the next morning to serve as an anti-estro.
looks like it would crush estrogen, that's for sure...
atd and all...
01-11-2011, 01:55 PM
5mg shuldnt tax the organs much...
check out gepharma testrofire for a heavy methyl dose in pct...
i might run this as a standalone to cut this summer, but, dammmmm...
20mg cynostane >>>> 5mg epi...
01-11-2011, 11:02 PM
01-11-2011, 11:39 PM
01-11-2011, 11:41 PM
01-11-2011, 11:59 PM
01-12-2011, 05:55 AM
it's not suppressive at low doses...
in fact, quite the opposite.
different compounds do different things.
best to read up on the compound in question before baggin it.
01-12-2011, 12:03 PM
anavar at 10mg is suppressive to hpta function. epistane will be supressive, even at 5mg.
even the current sarms are supressive according to studies done on them.
obviosly the level of supression varies each compound. this is where dose, and length of time will come into play.
just because you dont notice it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
01-12-2011, 12:06 PM
01-12-2011, 12:17 PM
01-13-2011, 02:56 AM
my thoughts exactly.
atd is icky.
(from another thread, one of perhaps thousands, that will all say the same thing):
" Well epi actually stimulates LH initially because of it's anti-e activity (or at least doesn't suppress it based on studies of it's free alcohol) ... "
Where in "stimulates LH" does one read "suppress"?
01-13-2011, 03:23 AM
01-13-2011, 08:04 AM
01-13-2011, 10:25 AM
01-13-2011, 01:34 PM
01-13-2011, 02:04 PM
01-13-2011, 06:49 PM
the claim that epistane has anti estrogenic effects is made up.
it is the analog, (i believe non methylated) that has anti estrogenic properties.
only anti estrogenic properties methepiostanol has is from it's androgenic effects, and it has these because it is an androgen and binds to the androgen receptor.
01-13-2011, 07:37 PM
01-13-2011, 07:39 PM
See? I find this interesting. Cuz lately in my quest to learn about the compounds I've read way more than once that some peeps use low dose D-Bol, low dose Var and now even low dose Epi during PCT...?
This makes me think (and maybe others?) that if these can be used during PCT then one could think that doing those alone, as a regular low dose cycle (say 8 weeks at 10mg) then no PCT would be required???...
But then if you take it a step further one could ask why couldnt any compound be run at low doses for extended time period?
For example, how and why would 12 weeks of 5mg Superdrol be worse than 4 weeks at 30mg? I ask because 4 weeks at 30 is ingesting 900mg, while 5mg at 12 weeks is only 450mg. And the later would allow more time for any gains to solidify.
01-13-2011, 07:42 PM
On the issue with Epistane being used as part of a PCT regimen. I have ran Havoc numerous times and personally love it. I luckily have minimal side effects from it, although I have never done blood work. I would not personally use it as part of PCT, but the fact this it is a mild PH could give the perception that it is safe to use as part of PCT. I would like to see some actual facts though.
01-13-2011, 07:44 PM
every supplement company that advertises these properties is a liar?
plus, the personal experiences of experienced persons who have utilized epi successfully to this end in pct... i guess these guys are delusional too?
01-13-2011, 07:46 PM
01-13-2011, 07:50 PM
like i wrote before, check out ge pharma testrofire if you wanna see a monster of a product...suitable as a standalone only, i would guess. so, seeing as how it was so weird, i had to buy a bottle to play with, as a standalone, this summer...I started this thread because methylated AI's aren't common.
check out unreal machine's superdrol thread... options like this are tossed around.For example, how and why would 12 weeks of 5mg Superdrol be worse than 4 weeks at 30mg? I ask because 4 weeks at 30 is ingesting 900mg, while 5mg at 12 weeks is only 450mg. And the later would allow more time for any gains to solidify.
except for the 4 weeks at 30.
that seems excessive...
and the 5mg seems too little.
the thread recommends not going below 10...
01-13-2011, 07:55 PM
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