- 01-10-2011, 07:17 PM
I was just going through my stockpile and came across some interesting products that have accumulated throughout the years.
What would the point of this product be and is it supposed to be run as part of PCT (being methylated seems to defeat the purpose if so)? Also I do not plan on using it anytime soon.
"The evolution of Aromatase Inhibitor"
2a, 3a-epithio- 17a-methyletioallocholanol
1, 4, 6 etioallocholan-dione
Vitamin B12 1mg
Vitamin C 60mg
Vanadyl Sulfate 10mg
Milk Thistle 250mg
PCT Proprietary Blend 440mg
Red Kidney Beans Powder, NAC, Kudzu, Maca, Dodder Seed, Epimedium, Eurycoma Longifolia, Avena Sativa
- 01-10-2011, 07:52 PM
- 01-10-2011, 07:55 PM
1 dht derivative oral methylated steroid
2 aromatase inhibitors. atd, and dont know the name for the other one. (dont think it has one)
01-10-2011, 08:02 PM
01-10-2011, 08:03 PM
01-10-2011, 09:13 PM
I wouldn't use this product in PCT, but correct me if I'm wrong AI's are used in PCT more then anything right? The reason I posted it was because it was Methylated and would not make sense to be used in PCT.
01-11-2011, 12:53 PM
i have read of some doods usin low dose epi in their pct with great results...
i enjoyed a lower dose pulse more than a higher dose pulse for the same reasons that it should wrk in pct...
concentrations fell low enough by the next morning to serve as an anti-estro.
looks like it would crush estrogen, that's for sure...
atd and all...
01-11-2011, 12:55 PM
5mg shuldnt tax the organs much...
check out gepharma testrofire for a heavy methyl dose in pct...
i might run this as a standalone to cut this summer, but, dammmmm...
20mg cynostane >>>> 5mg epi...
01-11-2011, 10:02 PM
01-11-2011, 10:39 PM
01-11-2011, 10:41 PM
01-11-2011, 10:59 PM
01-12-2011, 04:55 AM
it's not suppressive at low doses...
in fact, quite the opposite.
different compounds do different things.
best to read up on the compound in question before baggin it.
01-12-2011, 11:03 AM
anavar at 10mg is suppressive to hpta function. epistane will be supressive, even at 5mg.
even the current sarms are supressive according to studies done on them.
obviosly the level of supression varies each compound. this is where dose, and length of time will come into play.
just because you dont notice it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
01-12-2011, 11:06 AM
01-12-2011, 11:17 AM
Arimevol is good product and quality Epi clone but has ATD in it so this will destroy your libido.
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01-13-2011, 01:56 AM
my thoughts exactly.
atd is icky.
(from another thread, one of perhaps thousands, that will all say the same thing):
" Well epi actually stimulates LH initially because of it's anti-e activity (or at least doesn't suppress it based on studies of it's free alcohol) ... "
Where in "stimulates LH" does one read "suppress"?
01-13-2011, 02:23 AM
01-13-2011, 07:04 AM
01-13-2011, 09:25 AM
01-13-2011, 12:34 PM
01-13-2011, 01:04 PM
01-13-2011, 05:49 PM
the claim that epistane has anti estrogenic effects is made up.
it is the analog, (i believe non methylated) that has anti estrogenic properties.
only anti estrogenic properties methepiostanol has is from it's androgenic effects, and it has these because it is an androgen and binds to the androgen receptor.
01-13-2011, 06:37 PM
01-13-2011, 06:39 PM
See? I find this interesting. Cuz lately in my quest to learn about the compounds I've read way more than once that some peeps use low dose D-Bol, low dose Var and now even low dose Epi during PCT...?
This makes me think (and maybe others?) that if these can be used during PCT then one could think that doing those alone, as a regular low dose cycle (say 8 weeks at 10mg) then no PCT would be required???...
But then if you take it a step further one could ask why couldnt any compound be run at low doses for extended time period?
For example, how and why would 12 weeks of 5mg Superdrol be worse than 4 weeks at 30mg? I ask because 4 weeks at 30 is ingesting 900mg, while 5mg at 12 weeks is only 450mg. And the later would allow more time for any gains to solidify.
01-13-2011, 06:42 PM
On the issue with Epistane being used as part of a PCT regimen. I have ran Havoc numerous times and personally love it. I luckily have minimal side effects from it, although I have never done blood work. I would not personally use it as part of PCT, but the fact this it is a mild PH could give the perception that it is safe to use as part of PCT. I would like to see some actual facts though.
01-13-2011, 06:44 PM
every supplement company that advertises these properties is a liar?
plus, the personal experiences of experienced persons who have utilized epi successfully to this end in pct... i guess these guys are delusional too?
01-13-2011, 06:46 PM
01-13-2011, 06:50 PM
like i wrote before, check out ge pharma testrofire if you wanna see a monster of a product...suitable as a standalone only, i would guess. so, seeing as how it was so weird, i had to buy a bottle to play with, as a standalone, this summer...I started this thread because methylated AI's aren't common.
check out unreal machine's superdrol thread... options like this are tossed around.For example, how and why would 12 weeks of 5mg Superdrol be worse than 4 weeks at 30mg? I ask because 4 weeks at 30 is ingesting 900mg, while 5mg at 12 weeks is only 450mg. And the later would allow more time for any gains to solidify.
except for the 4 weeks at 30.
that seems excessive...
and the 5mg seems too little.
the thread recommends not going below 10...
01-13-2011, 06:55 PM
01-13-2011, 07:01 PM
01-13-2011, 07:04 PM
01-13-2011, 11:06 PM
sugar in low doses is not fattening...
which is the reason for my using this example in the first place.
reason by analogy.
it is not a trick.
01-14-2011, 08:52 AM
Epistane is suppressive, end of story.
Here's a bloodwork example of someone starting PCT from an epistane cycle...:
Day 0 (pct starts):
LH: 1.54, 1.51, 1.60 (mIU/ml)
FSH: 2.20, 2.37, 2.79 (mIU/ml)
Test: 250, 256, 264 (ng/dl)
Day 10 (ten days into pct):
LH: 2.43, 1.94, 1.54
FSH: 3.65, 3.27, 3.92
Test: 402, 418, 435
From 'dis thread righ' here
01-14-2011, 03:35 PM
i am tired of runnin around with you on this issue.
clearly you are more interested in mischaracterizing the point of contention
in order to win whatever it is you seem to think is the argument,
than dealing with facts as presented.
of course, a straight cycle of epistane is gonna shut you down.
that is not the point of contention.
sugar is fattening.
if enough is consumed in a given time frame.
that is not false.
and should not be a point of contention.
the point is that small, especially initial, doses of epi stimulate lh.
if it clears the body or remains at levels low enough for (especially nightly) test production to take place,
then daily small doses can ALL be considered initial.
now, unless you have some blood work that shows this to be incorrect,
i expect that we can simply walk away from this issue.
if you don't wanna believe this,
i frankly don't care what you think about it because it simply is not that important.
if i thought that this information could save your life, or improve it in some way, then i would try harder to make sure that you understood.
but, it won't make ANY difference to you or to anyone else if you ever take 5 mgs of epistane a day for a few weeks after a cycle of steroids.
i figure enough said.
with all due respect, and perhaps even some undue respect,
01-14-2011, 04:15 PM
01-14-2011, 05:23 PM
those people are all mis informed d/t the "write ups" for epistane discussing it being an analog of a steroidial aromatase inhibitor used in japan for decades.
it doesn't matter if you agree with me, because people who actually know something about steroids, will agree with me.
I'm getting sick of newbies who dont know a steroid from their ass telling me about aas.
you really need to research more, but I guess if you dont know the basics of androgenic/anabolic chemistry, then its easy to understand why you fall victim to bro science.
go read a book. learn something.
i'll say it again, epistane is not an aromatase inhibitor, nor is there any studies I know of showing it does.
it is a methylated oral androgenic/anabolic steroid, and is a methylated dht derivative. maybe on of it's metabolites has some aromatase inhibition activity, but the steroid itself, does not.
epistane is not an anti estrogenic compound.
it is a highly anabolic/moderately androgenic compound.
being that epistane(methepistanol) mg for mg is stronger than anavar (oxymetholone), and 10mg of anavar has been shown in numerous clinical studies on humans to cause hpta supression, saying 5mg of epistane e/d wont effect you is stupid, and shoes how little you know about steroids.
01-15-2011, 04:32 AM
i appreciate your concern.
and, especially, the time you are ALL taking here to correct me...
i know, you all have better things to do.
and, i believe that you are taking your time to correct me out of a genuine concern,
both for me and for the community at large.
you are good people.
i am grateful to have you on my side...
this is all true.
and i mean it.
in the interest of absolute openness,
i will confess that i am not an expert on steroid chemistry.
i was a phd student in chemistry.
i did do a fair amount of organic chemistry.
and, i did run the pre-med program as an undergraduate,
though took the acs chemistry degree instead.
but, the information that i have taken on epistane comes mostly from anabolic minds.
the long pulse guide.
some other stuff i read - especially company sites.
other sites that would have shown up on web searches.
tuned sports, for example - dunno if there is an epi post on there in particular, but it is one of the sites that i have read from a bit...
some people callin epi 'landing gear' and usin it as a taper,
crossing into pct proper with it.
other doods runnin low doses straight up as part of pct.
and, in clarification, i thought that i had read that it was an anti-estrogen with more serm-ish properties than a.i. properties...
dunno how epi as an a.i. came up in the last post...
i should have you know that i live in korea,
on an island,
and am the only foreigner in my gym...
no community here,
no one to learn from.
hell, no spotter.
so, well, what i do learn i learn alone.
as, what i do, i do alone.
that said, i appreciate very much your attention.
whether you like it or not! -
are my lifting buddies...
sorry about that.
but, i am happy for it.
especially for a set of doods honest and standup enough to tell me like it is,
as they see it,
01-15-2011, 10:12 AM
01-15-2011, 10:14 AM
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