- 01-15-2011, 10:30 AM
What would the point of this product be and is it supposed to be run as part of PCT (being methylated seems to defeat the purpose if so)? Also I do not plan on using it anytime soon.
But no worries, we all know what's up, and that's simply not to do it
- 01-15-2011, 01:27 PM
- 01-15-2011, 01:30 PM
Has anyone run both products? Both products being Epi and Epi with an AI included. If so I would love to hear your thoughts on the differences. I love Epi but have reserves about running Epi with an AI just because of my results from Epi alone.
01-15-2011, 02:06 PM
01-15-2011, 02:47 PM
01-15-2011, 04:56 PM
i am in on that CEO!
and i will bring my own log to the table, on testrofire, another methylated monster 'pct' product!
awesome thred man.
01-15-2011, 05:00 PM
and, isn't low estrogen a problem on epi cycles?
i had some issues on a pulse, and i wasn't running an ai on off days, either...
anyways, would seem to make an ai unnecessary, if not a potential problem, perhaps erasing too much estrogen and asking for not only enhanced on-cycle sides but enhanced estrogen rebound in pct...?
actually, i would like to try epi with a dhea product underneath it, like a dermacrine or an m1d.
these have ai's in them, but should contribute more substrate for the production of estrogen, and may offset the low estrogen problems associated with epi cycles - dry, painful joints being problem #1 for me...
01-15-2011, 07:13 PM
Studies show that small doses of the parent compound, Epitiostanol, at just 10-20mg/week showed a complete disappearance of the mass and pain in 25% of the male patients in the clinical trail, while the other 75% of the patients showed at least a 50% reduction in the mass and complete loss of pain in just 4-8 weeks.
And I found this on Epitiostanol:
Epitiostanol =/= EpistaneOriginally Posted by © 1973 JAPANESE JOURNAL OF CLINICAL ONCOLOGY
Now if you find something worthwhile, i.e. papers, user results with bloodwork,
I'd really like to see it.
01-15-2011, 08:36 PM
yeah, i remember this paper getting referenced i suppose...
really, beyond the 'hype' generated from this,
i really just have the reports i took from users
found here, i suppose, quite a bit as a.m. is a pretty huge warehouse of info,
and from dr. d's thread, i suppose,
as this 'property' of epi is supposed to be one of its big pulse selling points...
besides that, my own experience -
on 30 mg epi/day, taken in the morning, i felt like a little shriveled girl the next morning.
on 20, i awoke with raging wood fires every morning (well, as raging a fire as this splinter of a rail can generate...).
i took this as (personal) confirmation of the - if not lh encouraging - NON-suppressive properties of the ds in low enough/appropriately spaced/timed doses...
figure this, with a half-life of say 7 hours, when dosed at 9a.m., then, by bedtime at midnite, there's about 5mg of active left in circulation,
an amount which - from personal experience- does not seem to f with my nuts.
just my experience.
01-15-2011, 08:41 PM
01-15-2011, 09:47 PM
01-15-2011, 11:41 PM
look at your quoted compound:
now, look at Methylepitiostanol aka epistane:
one of these things is not like the other....
it's like trying to say dianabol is the same as boldenone.
you guys figure out how to remove that methyl group from your epistane, then you'll be in business.
oh, and that studie was done via injection administration. even if you inject the methylated version, the results will be different than oral administration.
but thank you for providing the study, I was worried for a second I might not actually know what im talking about.
01-16-2011, 08:29 AM
01-16-2011, 10:26 AM
who knows. it's one of life's great mysteries.
01-16-2011, 01:29 PM
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