What can be considered as the best PH?
- 06-24-2004, 07:21 PM
- 06-24-2004, 08:11 PM
its a sliding scale. there is no "best PH"...what are your goals?
- 06-24-2004, 08:16 PM
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haha thats funny i think in the FAQ it says if you are worried about side effect () than you SHOULD NOT BE USING PROHORMONES!
Regardless i think the PH that delivers the best gains/sides would be m1'4add
just my uneducated opinion
06-24-2004, 08:16 PM
For a balance between gains and side effects, an injectable 1-test cyp and/or 4-ad prop would probably take the cake. For orals, I'd say M1T gives the best results, but also carries the worst side effects. M4OHN seems to have the fewest sides so far, with lean, but modest gains.
Disclaimer: of those I mentioned, I've only used M1T. I'm just regurgitating and simplifying others results here.
06-24-2004, 08:48 PM
in terms of minimizing sides/risks, there is no doubt methyls are out
imo, m-1-t is a phenomenal PH, but it carries a reasonable risk/side effect burden
heck, ANY methylated compound does
assuming one knows how to make a sterile injectable, injectables are always going to be safer, and have less risk than a methylated oral
but i agree, the question is "best for what?"
mass gains, strength, lean (dry) gains, etc?
imo, you can't go wrong with 4-ad prop, although if you are prone to gyno, you need to use a SERM with it.
unlike some 1-test options, it doesn't kill libido (i like my libido. 4-ad enhances it), it offers a good combo of strength and mass gains, and its pretty cheap
but again, it depends on what you consider important, and how you weigh relative factors
06-24-2004, 10:35 PM
Is there anywhere that I can buy 4ad prop powder. I was thinking since the ban has been moved back that custom or designer supps would come out with it...........keeping my fingers crossed! If anyone knows of another place that sells it could you please let me know.
06-24-2004, 10:45 PM
Has anybody ever ran 4-AD prop, cyp, whatever by itself? If so, how were your results? I'm tempted to buy some instead of real test next time.
06-24-2004, 10:50 PM
just curious, why? why buy something that converts to test when (i think) you arleady don't have any stigma against using the real deal?Originally Posted by Jergo
06-24-2004, 11:46 PM
Originally Posted by morfiend
Well mostly just curiosity and then there's the legal aspect of it...
I can't tell you how many times I freak out mentally when expecting a package...nerves for the most part..
06-25-2004, 01:47 AM
i've used 4-ad prop on its own.
06-25-2004, 01:57 AM
How much/week? Results/gains??
06-25-2004, 02:25 AM
i don't have a log handy, but recovery time was improved, strength improved, and muscle mass improved.
i think it was bobo that had the blood level T comparisons. it's probably roughly equivalent to 500 mg of test or so/wk.
06-25-2004, 03:21 AM
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best ph stack for someone just starting out with ph's is easily the transdermal 1test/4ad combination. I do not thinking using methyl's is required for a 1st-time anabolics user.
06-25-2004, 10:32 AM
Thanks jjjd, gonna look more into it....
06-25-2004, 10:33 AM
I've done both. I would say it is about 1/3 as effective as test, or a little less. The prop is better, but requires a lot of injection volume.Originally Posted by Jergo
The big advantage is its "legal", so no worries when awaiting your package...
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